You probably put green pesto on your cereal! Anybody
that has a pair wants a front engine V-12!!!
It’s
the way of the future! The La Ferrari is already hybrid…and there are more
coming!
From: Ferrari
[mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf
Of Luke Graves Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2018 12:23
PM To: Peter Pless Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
Good
ideas and Fuck electric vechicles! Enough of this shit. This is a Ferrari
forum!!!
Luke
From: Ferrari
[mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Moseley Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 6:15
PM To: Col Luke Graves Cc: The
FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
I don't have "a dog
in the fight" and don't intend to have an electric car anytime soon. I
have my thoughts on them but will keep them to
myself.
But I have some
observations, history and thoughts moving
forward.
Brake lights through
most of their history were a function of the brake pedal alone... switch on the
pedal or in the fluid path (I think we can all agree on that). I think it
was technology of the times and has suited us well.
More and more people
today drive like IDIOTS and are often driving under the influence of a substance
or a distraction (food, makeup, razors, drinks, kids, phones, blowjobs,
etc).
Given the technology
of today (simple chip accelerometers), electric car or not, I think a "slow
down" light would be most beneficial to everyone on the road behind said idiots,
druggies, drunks and distracted drivers. This could occur whether in regen
or just foot off the loud pedal engine
braking.
So, I'm thinking....
a blinking brake light when slowing, solid light when pedal depressed....
maybe just the high mounted 3rd brake light for this function so as to delineate
these modes...
OK, your points one
by one:
1. Not sure about a Volt not REALLY being an electric
car. The entire drivetrain to the wheels is all electric. It uses
a 110KW electric motor/generator. The ICE (which is 84hp) just powers
a smaller generator if needed. It's 55KW , and is used to recharge
the 16.5KWh battery if necessary.
2. I already outlined the
regen forces in the volt. It is much stronger than the engine braking
in most gas engine cars. Read what I said. It is enough to hold
the car back on a 25% grade. That is a lot. Much stronger than
the deceleration that you would get in a 308 Ferrari in 1st gear. The
only gas car that I have driven with greater engine braking is 1st gear in my
4.L Maserati. Regen is up to 75KW, which is A LOT!!!! In city driving,
because of slower speeds, regen is closer to 30-35KW. That's like
having a 40hp engine suddenly kicking into reverse. It not as much as a
Tesla, but more than most other electric cars, like the Nissan Leaf for
example. And far, far more than a Prius. OK, you can claim that a
Prius is not an electric car, but it's reason for existing is to convert via
regeneration it's kinetic energy while slowing down into electricity to be
stored in it's small battery to propel it back up to speed when the stop
light turns back to green. Again, it exists solely to take advantage
of regeneration.
3. Electric range on the Gen1 cars (2011-2015)
is about 35 miles. Gen2 cars (2016 to present) is 45 to perhaps 50
miles. Compare that to the all electric Gen1 Leaf, which had a range of
about 70 miles. I think the newer ones have a bigger battery. I
drove my Gen1 for nearly 7 months without using a drop of
gasoline.
4. According to Wikipedia, sales of the Volt were 177,000
units as of the date of the article. Hardly a niche vehicle.
OK,
go bury your head back in the sand.
Hans.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018
at 9:21 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote: > > Well, let’s face it, a Volt isn’t REALLY an electric car,
is it now? Not in the modern sense of the word….so I was right. > >
If there isn’t a petrol motor in the Volt, I’ll tell you I was wrong, but I’m
not. > > I doubt the regen is very strong on the Volt, otherwise the
brake light not coming on would have brought a class action against GM from all
the rear enders. Sounds like it just does about as much braking as changing down
a gear does…..and no car has a brake light for that. > >
Almost zero Volts (good pun) sold here because everyone knew they were rubbish
from the start anyway. Are they even still made? I mean, what’s the electric
range of one? 10km before the ICE kicks in? > > > >
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On
Behalf Of Hans E. Hansen > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 2:19 PM >
To: Peter Pless > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > > Quote : > > > >
"The brake lights most certainly come on when you use regen on an electric car.
The fact that some of you thought that it was possible that they DON'T is
astounding" > > > > What "facts" are you referring to
again? > > > > Hans. > > > > On
Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:13 PM Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>
wrote: > > Uh, your "facts" stated that all electric cars have brake
lights on
regen...... > > > > > > > > On
Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 6:40 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote: > > What's wrong with you? > My facts are perfectly
straight. > If you're telling me that the Volt doesn’t put on the brake
lights under heavy regen, you'd better sue GM. What a ridiculous
oversight. > All the other electric cars do that I've driven and heard
about, as you would realistically expect. > > > >
-----Original Message----- > From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org] > Sent:
Monday, 3 December 2018 10:29 AM > To: Peter Pless; The
FerrariList > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking > >
RIGHT! Get your facts straight. > > Check out the Volt
forums. None of the cars has a brake light on > regen. I guess this
means that they are ALL defective. It was a long > topic of
conversation a couple of years back. > > Hans. > On Sun, Dec
2, 2018 at 3:26 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote: > > > > Then there's something wrong with your
car....OR....the regen is as weak as engine braking. > > The electric
cars I've driven have the brake lights come on as soon as there is enough regen
to equate to using a brake pedal. > > > > Next time you try to
be assertive, maybe get your facts right. > > > > > >
-----Original Message----- > > From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org] > > Sent:
Monday, 3 December 2018 9:58 AM > > To: Peter Pless; The
FerrariList > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking >
> > > ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!! > > > > I taped a piece
of foil near the center brake light on my Volt so I could see it reflect in my
rear view mirror. Step on brakes, I can see the light on. Lift
throttle (regen), NO LIGHT! > > > > Next time you try and
guess an answer, get a car and experiment first. > > > >
Hans. > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote: > > > > > > The brake lights most certainly come
on when you use regen on an electric car. The fact that some of you thought that
it was possible that they DON'T is astounding! > > > > >
> And then, once you've stopped, you can put your foot on the brake pedal so
that the brake lights are on....just like in any other car. > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From:
Ferrari > > > [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com]
On > > > Behalf Of jashburne--- via Ferrari > > > Sent:
Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:09 PM > > > To: Peter Pless >
> > Cc: The FerrariList > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > > > > I’m surprised that the brake lights
aren’t programmed to come on when the motor is actively slowing down the car.
Sounds dangerous if not. > > > > > > John > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote: >
> > > > > > > I wouldn't call it severe. Think of
the throttle (rheostat?) as > > > > having a neutral position,
which is part way down. Push further, > > > > it
accelerates. More push, more acceleration. Lift throttle is
similar. > > > > Lift a little, gradual decel, etc. > >
> > > > > > As for the brake light issue, my recent
Thanksgiving trip to > > > > Portland gave me the opposite
problem. I was in stop and go congestion on I-5. > > > >
I'd lift to slow, but because the brake lights don't come on, cars > >
> > behind me had no idea that I had started slowing until it
became > > > > very obvious. Given the congestion and that
people tend to follow > > > > way too close, I thought this could
be dangerous, so I "shifted" > > > > into regular "drive"
(simulating a gas car with an auto trans) > > > > which forced me
to use the brake pedal to slow even slightly. > > > > Thus
lighting up the brake lights and warning people behind me. > > >
> > > > > Hans. > > > >> On Sat, Nov 24,
2018 at 10:23 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote: > > > >> > > > >> So, every time you
let off the accelerator pedal, the regen kicks in and it’s that severe? >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> Peter > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> Sent from Mail
for Windows 10 > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> ________________________________ > > > >>
From: Ferrari > > > >> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com>
on > > > >> behalf of Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> > >
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:49:45 AM > > >
>> To: PeterGT4 > > > >> Cc: The FerrariList >
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking > > >
>> > > > >> FWIW, the regen in a Chevy Volt is fairly
strong, strong enough > > > >> that I only use the brake (NOT
break) pedal for the final 20 feet > > > >> or so to come to a
complete stop in normal traffic. > > > >> > > >
>> Hans. > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:22 PM
Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> How much
drag does it feel when you lift off the accelerator pedal? Like, it’s going to
come to a complete dead stop very, very quickly? > > >
>>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>> I wonder if cars like this (I’m
talking street cars here, not F1) are designed for people who left-foot brake.
Like maybe not such a dramatic lift-your-entire-foot-off-of-the-gas-pedal and
then jamming on the brake, but a gentle relaxing on the “gas” and slightly
pressing on the brake, more-or-less at the same time. > > >
>>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>> As the years pass and the manual
transmission disappears off the road, nearly everyone are driving automatics now
and I’ve noticed, especially with younger, newer drivers that they’re using
their left feet for braking. How can I tell? From the continuous blinking of the
brake lights, yet not noticeable drop in speed as they drive along a busy route.
It’s not that they’re trying to slow down, but only moderate their speed as they
go along. It’s incredibly annoying. > > > >>> > >
> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>
Peter > > > >>> > > > >>> > >
> >>> > > > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows
10 > > > >>> > > > >>> > >
> >>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>>
________________________________ > > > >>> From:
Ferrari > > > >>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com>
on > > > >>> behalf of Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> >
> > >>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:36:22 PM > >
> >>> To: PeterGT4 > > > >>> Cc: The
FerrariList > > > >>> Subject: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > >>> > > > >>> I have
learned what F1 drivers experience (not to the extent that F1 do) when the
commentators talk regenerative breaking. In my Tesla ( standard regen ) I
normally take my foot off the accelerator and the Tesla deaccelerates like I am
braking. I am not sure if depends on the state of charge of the battery or the
temperature or a combination of the two, but there is NO or not desernable regen
braking. There is a message when I first start to drive that ‘regen braking is
limited ‘, not after I have experienced full regen braking during my drive then
when I take my foot off the accelerator NO regen. It would be nice to have the
message ‘regen braking limited ‘ on the screen, so I would be braking harder.
Just an observation. > > > >>> > > >
>>> Stephen L Sherman > > > >>> Sent from my iPad
Pro > > > >>>
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