You guys are lucky he closest I got to my jet fighter dream was a back seat ride in a T6!
I totally agree The 101 was great to look at But that’s it It had the handling characteristics of a drunk ! Pitch up and it needed half flaps so bad you could taste it Fast in a straight line but took the state of Iowa to turn it around ! A lot of guys died trying to fly that thing In the traffic pattern no less
RF4-4EVR
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If you have no enemies, you have no character !
Clyde Romero
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Actually, it was a POS! I know, as I had 1200, hrs in
it! The F-86 and F-4 were much better airplanes. I think that Clyde
would agree.
Luke
Ah the 101, one of my favorite planes.
Thanks guys, you made my day! Hand/eye coordination still
good, hope to do some hot laps at COTA when I hit my
90th!!!
Luke Graves Lt/Col USAF (Ret) Past President Hill Country Chapter FCA
I hear ya Boss
When I heard they shoot hands off I said never me!
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I expected no less. There are few around who defy the
“Old/Bold Fighter Pilot” yarn.
CLyDe, Here’s where I insert my gratuitous dig on the current
generation of “hand off cat launchers”. Does that make the “Electric
Bug” an automatic?
He is a dying breed Peter one of the last real fighter
pilots
What did you expect !
He Flew 101’s and All the rest of the real fighters
He doesn’t get much better then that in my opinion
Good on ya Boss 80 plus and still going !
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83
and driving a stick 360?? Bravo!!!! Absolutely
awesome.
From:
Luke Graves [mailto:buyer1 [at] airmail.net] Sent: Monday,
December 3, 2018 10:40 PM To: 'Peter Pless' Subject:
RE: [Ferrari] Regen breaking Though
about getting an 812. Twenty five k down, no price confirmation and
a 3 year wait! At 83, I'm not sure about the 3 year wait. I
can just see it; I'm lying there in the nursing home and my boys come in
and say: Dad your 812 is here!" So, they wheel me out to look at
it. Not a really good scenario. I am really happy with my 360
and love the stick shift.
Love
to all of you Ferrari guys, Luke
From:
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Pless Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018
10:21 PM To: Col Luke Graves Cc: 'The
FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking What
we want and what we get are two different
things…..sometimes.
I’m
all for a front (or rear) normally aspirated V12 with kers…the sound and
the power…awesome, but I fear that the 812 might be the last normally
aspirated V12 to come from Ferrari. Would be nice if I’m
wrong.
From:
Luke Graves [mailto:buyer1 [at] airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, 4
December 2018 3:13 PM To: 'Peter Pless' Cc: 'The
FerrariList' Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking
You
probably put green pesto on your cereal! Anybody that has a pair
wants a front engine V-12!!!
From:
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Pless Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018
9:55 PM To: Col Luke Graves Cc: 'The
FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking It’s
the way of the future! The La Ferrari is already hybrid…and there are more
coming!
Good
ideas and Fuck electric vechicles! Enough of this shit. This is a
Ferrari forum!!!
Luke
From:
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Moseley Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018
6:15 PM To: Col Luke Graves Cc: The
FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
I don't have
"a dog in the fight" and don't intend to have an electric car anytime
soon. I have my thoughts on them but will keep them to
myself.
But I have
some observations, history and thoughts moving
forward.
Brake lights
through most of their history were a function of the brake pedal alone...
switch on the pedal or in the fluid path (I think we can all agree on
that). I think it was technology of the times and has suited us
well.
More and more
people today drive like IDIOTS and are often driving under the influence
of a substance or a distraction (food, makeup, razors, drinks, kids,
phones, blowjobs, etc).
Given the
technology of today (simple chip accelerometers), electric car or not, I
think a "slow down" light would be most beneficial to everyone on the road
behind said idiots, druggies, drunks and distracted drivers. This
could occur whether in regen or just foot off the loud pedal engine
braking.
So, I'm
thinking.... a blinking brake light when slowing, solid light when pedal
depressed.... maybe just the high mounted 3rd brake light for this
function so as to delineate these modes...
OK, your
points one by one:
1. Not sure about a Volt not REALLY being
an electric car. The entire drivetrain to the wheels is all
electric. It uses a 110KW electric motor/generator. The ICE
(which is 84hp) just powers a smaller generator if needed. It's
55KW , and is used to recharge the 16.5KWh battery if
necessary.
2. I already outlined the regen forces in the
volt. It is much stronger than the engine braking in most gas
engine cars. Read what I said. It is enough to hold the car
back on a 25% grade. That is a lot. Much stronger than the
deceleration that you would get in a 308 Ferrari in 1st gear. The
only gas car that I have driven with greater engine braking is 1st gear
in my 4.L Maserati. Regen is up to 75KW, which is A LOT!!!! In
city driving, because of slower speeds, regen is closer to
30-35KW. That's like having a 40hp engine suddenly kicking into
reverse. It not as much as a Tesla, but more than most other electric
cars, like the Nissan Leaf for example. And far, far more than a
Prius. OK, you can claim that a Prius is not an electric car, but
it's reason for existing is to convert via regeneration it's kinetic
energy while slowing down into electricity to be stored in it's small
battery to propel it back up to speed when the stop light turns back to
green. Again, it exists solely to take advantage
of regeneration.
3. Electric range on the Gen1 cars
(2011-2015) is about 35 miles. Gen2 cars (2016 to present) is 45 to
perhaps 50 miles. Compare that to the all electric Gen1 Leaf,
which had a range of about 70 miles. I think the newer ones have
a bigger battery. I drove my Gen1 for nearly 7 months without
using a drop of gasoline.
4. According to Wikipedia, sales of
the Volt were 177,000 units as of the date of the article. Hardly
a niche vehicle.
OK, go bury your head back in the
sand.
Hans.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:21 PM Peter Pless
<ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote: > >
Well, let’s face it, a Volt isn’t REALLY an electric car, is it now? Not
in the modern sense of the word….so I was right. > > If there
isn’t a petrol motor in the Volt, I’ll tell you I was wrong, but I’m
not. > > I doubt the regen is very strong on the Volt,
otherwise the brake light not coming on would have brought a class action
against GM from all the rear enders. Sounds like it just does about as
much braking as changing down a gear does…..and no car has a brake
light for that. > > Almost zero Volts (good pun) sold here
because everyone knew they were rubbish from the start anyway. Are they
even still made? I mean, what’s the electric range of one? 10km before the
ICE kicks in? > > > > From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Hans E.
Hansen > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 2:19 PM > To: Peter
Pless > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > > Quote
: > > > > "The brake lights most certainly come on
when you use regen on an electric car. The fact that some of you thought
that it was possible that they DON'T is
astounding" > > > > What "facts" are you referring
to again? > > > >
Hans. > > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:13 PM Hans E.
Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote: > > Uh, your
"facts" stated that all electric cars have brake lights on
regen...... > > > > > > > >
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 6:40 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote: > >
What's wrong with you? > My facts are perfectly straight. > If
you're telling me that the Volt doesn’t put on the brake lights under
heavy regen, you'd better sue GM. What a ridiculous oversight. > All
the other electric cars do that I've driven and heard about, as you would
realistically expect. > > > > -----Original
Message----- > From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org] > Sent: Monday, 3 December
2018 10:29 AM > To: Peter Pless; The FerrariList > Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking > > RIGHT! Get your facts
straight. > > Check out the Volt forums. None of the
cars has a brake light on > regen. I guess this means that they are
ALL defective. It was a long > topic of conversation a couple
of years back. > > Hans. > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:26
PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote: > > > > Then there's something wrong with your
car....OR....the regen is as weak as engine braking. > > The
electric cars I've driven have the brake lights come on as soon as there
is enough regen to equate to using a brake pedal. > > >
> Next time you try to be assertive, maybe get your facts
right. > > > > > > -----Original
Message----- > > From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org] > > Sent: Monday, 3
December 2018 9:58 AM > > To: Peter Pless; The
FerrariList > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking >
> > > ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!! > > > > I taped a
piece of foil near the center brake light on my Volt so I could see it
reflect in my rear view mirror. Step on brakes, I can see the light
on. Lift throttle (regen), NO LIGHT! > > > > Next
time you try and guess an answer, get a car and experiment first. >
> > > Hans. > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM Peter
Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote: > >
> > > > The brake lights most certainly come on when you
use regen on an electric car. The fact that some of you thought that it
was possible that they DON'T is astounding! > > > > >
> And then, once you've stopped, you can put your foot on the brake
pedal so that the brake lights are on....just like in any other
car. > > > > > > -----Original
Message----- > > > From: Ferrari > > > [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On > > >
Behalf Of jashburne--- via Ferrari > > > Sent: Wednesday, 28
November 2018 10:09 PM > > > To: Peter Pless > > >
Cc: The FerrariList > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > > > > I’m surprised that the brake
lights aren’t programmed to come on when the motor is actively slowing
down the car. Sounds dangerous if not. > > > > > >
John > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >
> > > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen
<FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote: > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't call it severe. Think of the
throttle (rheostat?) as > > > > having a neutral position,
which is part way down. Push further, > > > > it
accelerates. More push, more acceleration. Lift throttle is
similar. > > > > Lift a little, gradual decel, etc. >
> > > > > > > As for the brake light issue, my
recent Thanksgiving trip to > > > > Portland gave me the
opposite problem. I was in stop and go congestion on I-5. >
> > > I'd lift to slow, but because the brake lights don't come
on, cars > > > > behind me had no idea that I had started
slowing until it became > > > > very obvious. Given
the congestion and that people tend to follow > > > > way
too close, I thought this could be dangerous, so I "shifted" > >
> > into regular "drive" (simulating a gas car with an auto
trans) > > > > which forced me to use the brake pedal to
slow even slightly. > > > > Thus lighting up the brake
lights and warning people behind me. > > > > > >
> > Hans. > > > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:23
PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > >
>> > > > >> So, every time you let off the
accelerator pedal, the regen kicks in and it’s that severe? > >
> >> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >> Peter > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >>
________________________________ > > > >> From:
Ferrari > > > >> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on > > >
>> behalf of Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> > > > >>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:49:45 AM > > > >>
To: PeterGT4 > > > >> Cc: The FerrariList > >
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking > > >
>> > > > >> FWIW, the regen in a Chevy Volt is
fairly strong, strong enough > > > >> that I only use
the brake (NOT break) pedal for the final 20 feet > > >
>> or so to come to a complete stop in normal traffic. > >
> >> > > > >> Hans. > > >
>>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:22 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > >
>>> > > > >>> How much drag does it feel
when you lift off the accelerator pedal? Like, it’s going to come to a
complete dead stop very, very quickly? > > >
>>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>> I wonder if cars like this
(I’m talking street cars here, not F1) are designed for people who
left-foot brake. Like maybe not such a dramatic
lift-your-entire-foot-off-of-the-gas-pedal and then jamming on the brake,
but a gentle relaxing on the “gas” and slightly pressing on the brake,
more-or-less at the same time. > > > >>> > >
> >>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> As the years pass and the manual transmission disappears off
the road, nearly everyone are driving automatics now and I’ve noticed,
especially with younger, newer drivers that they’re using their left feet
for braking. How can I tell? From the continuous blinking of the brake
lights, yet not noticeable drop in speed as they drive along a busy route.
It’s not that they’re trying to slow down, but only moderate their speed
as they go along. It’s incredibly annoying. > > >
>>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>> Peter > > >
>>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows
10 > > > >>> > > > >>> >
> > >>> > > > >>> > > >
>>> > > > >>>
________________________________ > > > >>> From:
Ferrari > > > >>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on > > >
>>> behalf of Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> > > >
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:36:22 PM > > >
>>> To: PeterGT4 > > > >>> Cc: The
FerrariList > > > >>> Subject: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking > > > >>> > > > >>> I
have learned what F1 drivers experience (not to the extent that F1 do)
when the commentators talk regenerative breaking. In my Tesla ( standard
regen ) I normally take my foot off the accelerator and the Tesla
deaccelerates like I am braking. I am not sure if depends on the state of
charge of the battery or the temperature or a combination of the two, but
there is NO or not desernable regen braking. There is a message when I
first start to drive that ‘regen braking is limited ‘, not after I have
experienced full regen braking during my drive then when I take my foot
off the accelerator NO regen. It would be nice to have the message ‘regen
braking limited ‘ on the screen, so I would be braking harder. Just an
observation. > > > >>> > > > >>>
Stephen L Sherman > > > >>> Sent from my iPad
Pro > > > >>>
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