Re: Holly cow
From: Clarence Romero Jr. (clyderomerof4gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:12:43 -0800 (PST)
Yes typo 
Ugh
Getting old is rough 

Clyde Romero

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On Dec 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Clyde, Well stated (as usual).  But -- typo?? -- you didn't really mean to say "And to be honest I would sell the car to anyone who wouldn’t drive it", did you?  I assume you meant that you wouldn't sell the car to anyone who wouldn't drive it. Larry

From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+larrybard=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 7:34 AM
To: larry
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Holly cow
 
Unfortunately 
Most buyers want a low mileage car 
And in Ferrari world they want less than zero miles on it!
A high mileage car doesn’t count even though it’s been maintained, with records etc
And what’s with the window sticker thing?
I mean really 
My Ferrari 512 TR with 107k on it is a fine example.
Everything has been done on that car, suspension, steering rack, shocks, real radiators and relay kits on the fans, etc.
But hey I bought it to drive it not wax it !
And to be honest I would sell the car to anyone who wouldn’t drive it.
In my opinion they don’t deserve my car at any price, you have to have standards!

The younger crowd can’t drive a stick, so why are they asking crazy prices for them?
It doesn’t make sense, but hey it is what it is.
It’s just hype on 4 wheels.
The NSX market proved that, again no less, along with the GTR.
Those things are backed up like a sink!

Gotta go
Buy it to drive it!
That’s what I say

As for the Porsche 356 crowd,
When a Honda Accord sport can blow your doors off
Who got the better deal?





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On Dec 11, 2018, at 11:21 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

Was looking over some recent sale reports and thought of this thread ... at the Gooding auction earlier this year at Pebble Beach five of the 200 Ferrari 250GT Series II cabriolets were preset and four of them traded hands to new owners.  All between $1.325m and $1.792m, including buyers fees.  The 5th didn't sell with a bid of $1,550m, which it should have.  With 2.5% of the production present in one day and all bringing very similar bids, I'd say these numbers are representative of the market, even though they sold at a retail auction. 

Daytona coupes have been selling in the $700,000 +/- $100k range for a few years.  Every LaFerrari that comes to market sells for $3m to $3.5m.  All trackable sales results.

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On 12/8/18 12:06 PM, Brian E. Buxton wrote:

But what if it's not one car?  You are assuming that only one Ferrari sells per week or month at auction.  Have you followed the sale results of the sales at the factory in Maranello?  Or at Mecum?  or Barrett?  Multiple Enzos (as an example) have been selling monthly.  308/328 sales are well documented and fairly level per condition - exceptional low mileage cars bringing over $100k.  That's enough to get a good read.  You asked about why there isn't a database of sales, well there is.  Subscribe to Sports Car Market and scroll through their database of sales.  There are hundreds of examples, depending on the model. 

The Porsche market is an entirely different subject, but the slant nose cars were factory cars.  There were some fiberglass aftermarket kits and they don't hold value as well.  But real steel cars are still highly valuable and sought after in the market.  Not sure how TTO affects value - if all cars that drove poorly were deemed non-valuable and non-collectible most cars from the 1960's back to the 1800's would have been crushed.  It's also very simple to fix TTO by increasing airflow and output (exhaust).  The early turbos were choked by early emissions equip.  Take that off and they are very smooth with no turbo lag.  It's easy to claim I don't know the market, but you are just discounting what I post, you aren't giving any actual data or examples to disprove the market.  Insulting buyers and saying cars drive poorly when stock isn't empirical info.  But with a shoe sized IQ it's hard fro me to understand things sometimes.   lol

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On 12/8/18 7:39 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
You don’t know the Ferrari market Brian
And as I said earlier 
One auction on a car doesn’t make the market
It might for you so you can hype it up to some poor uninformed buyer with deep pockets and shoe size IQ
But hey that’s what you live for 
Just look at the P car market 
Guys paying top bucks for an air cooled POS that has a major handling problem called trailing throttle oversteer 
But you can’t fix stupid Brian 
I remember the hype of the Guard Red Slope nose P car being all that
Guys modifying there cars 
Please 
The P car crowd is the worst only followed by the MCB crowd !



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On Dec 8, 2018, at 3:22 AM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

So let me get thus straight ... you're telling me that FML is BS and totally out of touch with the market, but that I don't know the market because I don't read FML?  It's seems that I'm better off not reading worthless info and paying attention to actual sales and transactions ...

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On 12/6/18 8:59 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Sorry Brian 
The limited auction market isn’t the market
Maybe for you 
But not the average Joe
The Ferrari market has always been about hype 
And the fact you never opened a FML tells me you know very little about the Ferrari market!
Because that’s where the hype is big time!
But that’s ok
Because you really are a P car guy 
And everyone has there thing as they say
Too many guys think the FML is the gospel until they find out it’s just a 
Seventh Day Adventist knocking at there door!
Gotta go
Take care and I have helped too many on this list both sell and by there dream car at realistic prices 
Not the ones you see in the paper!

Leads tally one bandit right 2 o clock high,  burners now ! 



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On Dec 6, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

I've never opened a FML ... but you're talking two different markets - the wholesale market and the retail market.  The auction prices do represent the retail market.  The best of the best.  The cars you or I may sell that were owned personally (private parry retail) will fall below that.  The dealers offer wholesale, put in money for reconditioning and service, then sell somewhere between private party retail and auction retail.  The auction prices may be idiots with money, but it's the market.  Which is the trading of cars for money.  Do you think a McLaren F1 will sell under $15M in any transaction (other than wholesale or a car with bad history) now that one hit that mark last summer?  That set the market.  What about the black Ferrari GTO that sold for $22M more in a private party transaction (to David MacNeil) than the most recent GTO at auction (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/most-expensive-car-ever-sold-at-auction-fetches-48-million.html)?

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On 12/6/18 6:14 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Brian 
Brian
Brian
Most recently and I know he monitors this list I helped a lister sell his beautiful 308 with Daytona seats and improved a/c system at a price no where near the asking prices in the FML 
In fact it was at least 30k away from those dream boat prices you read in the yellow shit rag!
The market is dropping son 
The 550 crowd is starting to feel the pain 
Like I’ve always said if you want to know what your car is worth 
Take it to a dealer 
Because that’s the real price 
The auction prices are idiots with money 
They are suicide blondes, dyed by their own hand!
But that’s not the market
There is still some fools thinking he can get 280K for a 575 6spd 
Along with the dolts thinking superamericas are all that!
Keep in mind the 355 spyder crowd thought the same thing 
Remember that bubble?
Lest not forget the 360 spyder crowd as well
Idiots with money will never learn 
But hey 
It is what it is 
Happy holidays 


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On Dec 6, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

308 / 328 market is higher than it was when they were new!

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On 12/6/18 4:47 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
I hope you’re right 
I just don’t see many people buying older Ferrari cars
In my opinion the 308/328/348 is dead 
The 355 market is surely dead and the a/c works on those cars!



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On Dec 6, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

I'll agree with Peter here...
In 5 years the dealerships will be so busy doing warranty work they won't have time to fix the stuff already sold.   The "good" independents will flourish.




From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
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Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Holly cow

The independents will survive keeping the older models going.
 
Peter
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:59:09 PM
To: PeterGT4
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Subject: [Ferrari] Holly cow
 
15 years 
This is going to kill the independent Ferrari shops 
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