Re: Watch_this_guy_swallow_hard + Paul' s fingerprint
From: Les Thompson (les21ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
Now come on, my best man 51 years ago was an air traffic controller.

Actually, thinking about it, you have a point. They used to have me act as ground control when they wanted to do a food run on nights.

Les T.

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Clarence Romero Jr." 
Sent: Jun 5, 2021 6:53 AM 
To: Les Thompson 
Cc: The FerrariList 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch_this_guy_swallow_hard + Paul' s fingerprint 

They built the Airbus in Mobil and there are plenty of car plants in Alabama!
Mercedes and Hyundai to name a few 
But your right about Italy 
And if people ever knew about the air traffic controllers!
They would always take the train!



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On Jun 5, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Having spent considerable time in both Alabama and Italy, I’d actually rather have cars (or airplanes for that matter) built in Alabama.  The food is much better in Italy, but trying to do STEM work there is a nightmare.  I worked for the biggest chemical company in the world that happened to be headquartered in Germany, they’d always send the guy from Alabama to go fix issues in Rome because a) I spoke the language and b) I could actually make progress; the Germans would just throw up their hands because “they wouldn’t listen to them”.  That was the same company that would make me fly out to Tokyo for a 30 minute meeting on something that could have been resolved in an email...

When we lived in Shanghai, I’d have half the F1 engineering team over for dinner, usually on Thursday night when things weren’t crazy.  They paid these guys peanuts because “you should be proud we hired you at a company like Ferrari, it’s an honor that you’re just here”.  What do you expect from an industry that wants to source aerospace grade components, yet still has the mindset of arguing over every penny on a fastener?  Once you’ve lived deep in the underbelly of the beast, the best thing you can do is step back, look at all of the marketing spin/hype and just say “meh” and walk away.  Arrogance and ignorance is a deadly combination.

We’re all masochists in an abusive relationship with these cars.  But it could be worse, we could be into boats.


On Jun 5, 2021, at 6:15 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Bottom line 
Italy today is still a second world country 
If you’ve ever been there you will see what I mean 
The whole country is like Alabama and Mississippi rolled into one 
Nice, friendly but it’s a huge mobile home community!
With regards to the F -1 tranny it’s my opinion if you drive it like a manual 
You’re ok
I will let you know since I am a driver not a washer waxer, coming up on 50 K on the 575
And yes the 328 is the BMW of entry Ferraris in my opinion 
They got it right across the board 
Notice I didn’t say humble, what that anyway?
My 512 TR lasted so long because I DROVE IT! 
The same with my 308 GTB QV 
These cars we love are like airplanes 
The ones that flew daily always worked especially the fighters( chime in here admiral Moseley) 
Hangar queens ( not PC sorry) are killers !
With regards to the older cars, they did what they did
Nothing back then lasted, nothing 
lubricants made the difference then technology stepped in 
Connectors got better, batteries you name it
Tires brakes etc
I never wore a clutch out on a Ferrari, a flywheel yes but never a clutch
The current crowd who wants a slush box are dead on arrival
Look at the adds, first thing you see clutch replaced at……
You can’t fix stupid 
Driving a car with a clutch is like flying
It’s self cleansing 
The F-1 system is like my old airliner 
FLY BY WIRE it Fu*ken works and is better than I will ever be or has been!
It’s a F-15, and yes I could put any of you in a F-15 against a F-4 and you would win
Why because of technology! 
That’s it guys and gals 
A wire is better and faster than your foot anyway and will not get tired!
Have a safe weekend 

PS 
with regards to the Raditor upgrade
The 12 cyl cars put out Chernobyl heat!
I live in Atlanta and drive in the summer
Granted the stock design is horrible, fiberglass caps on a copper core, very 2 world!
Surely not worthy of the price of admission 
Remember this is a 1990’s design 
Never overheated the car with stock ones, with aluminum ones I could drive on the sun!
And they are repairable if they ever leak!
The last Raditor built by Ferrari that was worth a damn was the one in a 308/328
It was manly, huge and had 2 fans 
If you overheated a 308/328 you were brain dead! 
You could fill a kiddy pool with the Raditor 







     RF4-4EVR

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If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    


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On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:09 AM, pbennett [at] paul-bennett.com wrote:


    Details of the electrical problem - which is also a problem of the 308:

    Using a two sided base board, printed copper wiring on both sides,
    unsoldered copper rivets connecting front and back.  Current can
    become heavy and the rivets are unable to transfer power from front to back.
    Realizing wires into various circuits of the car connect to areas adjacent 
    to the rivets. Add relays and you want to cry.

    Fix - solder the rivets to the printed copper front and back.  Requires 
    removal but al told not a big deal.   Exception some boards have 4 layers
    and the layer to layer connection is plated and difficult 
    to access.

    Fortunate is the 308 owner who can but and aftermarket
    fuse panel which has other than Euro Barrels fuses.  They are actually
    reliable but require yearly maintenance.

    I heard of a fellow in Colorado who was going to
    manufacture replacement but substantial boards.            
    Never heard if it happened. Also heard that Bird sold
    out his business yet it continues to provide fuse blocks.

    As for me, at 85 my car is in the wind, my body
    is weak, but I continue to support the'colorized' 
    wiring diagrams.  Someone asked if I would raise
    the price but I'm more likely to drop the price
    completely, but that price does provide
    income to pay GoDaddy to store the diagrams for 'yall.
    And I like the feedback from those many hours of translating
    the Owner's Manuals (unreadable) diagram to a readable, 
    understandable thing of beauty. Plus many orders are from
    outside the US (with NA cars)

    Someone needs to inject Hallett98 every ten years
    so here goes.  Miss that month long car trip.  Can't
    happene again, can you picture us with masks at the 
    restaurant across from the factory?
    sigh - paul- (Barbara has passed)


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch_this_guy_swallow_hard_……
> From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
> Date: Fri, June 04, 2021 11:26 pm
> To: Paul Bennett <pbennett [at] paul-bennett.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Admittedly, the 328 is one of the best out there but they are not infallible.
> The 328, the 3.2 Mondial, Testarossa and later versions all use the same type of fuse box/relay board which are notoriously delicate and are quite prone to being overloaded. It’s the kind of situation of not if but when. Babied cars can last a while, but any that have had some use will inevitably have some accumulated weakness. What modern car needs their electrical control/nerve center replaced? Even my POS GM truck still has the same relays and fuses from 1990 and that truck was abused throughout it’s life (former workplace parts hauler and on-site service vehicle).
> Same goes for the 328 LED climate control buttons which were cool and high tech in the ‘80s, but you’re pretty much SOL if they fail today.
> cLyDe’s beloved 512 TR have an underserved cooling system which he documented upgrading to modern aftermarket rads. Again, I’ve never known a production-line car needing a radiator upgrade with a stock set-up, unless there’s been some egregious lack of maintenance (and cLyDe’s car would definitely be well maintained as it’s lasted this long under his care with the amount of mileage accumulated. And still...) or, has had some big performance upgrade. Oooohh, let’s throw in transaxles that self-destruct because Ferrari cheap'd out by using welded, case-hardened diff’s instead of forging them in one piece like every other manufacturer out there (that’s if the input shaft doesn’t shear off before the diff explodes. All well known design and manufacturing faults).
> A lot of praise is heaped on the F1 transmission, but as much as the final, single clutch variant is probably the most “reliable” out of the bunch, what does one do when the bespoke hydraulic components crap out? It’s well documented how the first gen systems were terrible and parts are NLA. There’s a genuine reason why the market favors manual cars. cLyDe is adamant that they’re too weak for these V-12s, but at least if you burn out the clutch on those, you CAN limp it home (and nurse as much as you can with clutchless shifts which are totally doable with a syncro box). When the F1 fails, then what? Dial AAA and open yer wallet.
> As for the ‘60s? With the quality control issues of a fascist workforce, you take a roll of the dice with that one. The only reason why they’re still around today is they look pretty and were never cheap/disposable. Although on that note, one of the old timers in the club here (Alfa guy) had mentioned when I questioned why so few cars survived, he said “we just drove them”. He drove his Alfa Giulietta Zagato even in the winter because it was his daily driver! When the cars rusted out badly, they parted them out and scrapped the rest. They weren’t made to last and nobody expected they’d be worth so much in the future. They bought them because they looked beautiful, were different than anything else on the road and were fun to drive. BUT, you always had to work on them, like any car of that era. Nothing was “reliable”. There were only cars that didn’t break down as much as others.
> Peter
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10
> From: Erik Nielsen<mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>
> Sent: June 4, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: PeterGT4<mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch this guy swallow hard ……
> You’re going to need time to hear the entire list.
> It may be easier to say which ones could be considered refined and reliable by the time they made it into the customer’s hands.
> 275 GTS
> 330 GTC
> 328 GTB/GTS
> 512TR
> 575M with F1
> The rest of them have flaws, some of them major.
> Ferrari has claimed they make cars similar to mistresses.  The 348 and 355 are in the crack whore category...
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Dominic Carri <zigzagzoot [at] comcast.net<mailto:zigzagzoot [at] comcast.net>> wrote:
> I thought it was the 348 you didn’t like.
> Now the 355
> Can you list all of the FIAT era cars and tell us what you think of each
> Zooty
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
> These cars were problematic from day one
> It’s like Erik said
> If Ferrari put a horse on a turd it would sell out!
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ferrari-f355-spider-26/
> [http://gallery.mailchimp.com/d50199eadaa3846040c76511e/images/Screen_shot_2013_05_29_at_9.18.02_AM.png]     RF4-4EVR
> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
> Clyde Romero
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> [http://gallery.mailchimp.com/d50199eadaa3846040c76511e/images/Screen_shot_2013_05_29_at_9.18.02_AM.png]     RF4-4EVR
> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
> Clyde Romero
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