Re: Watch this guy swallow hard ……
From: Peter Rychel (dino308gt4hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:45:56 -0700 (PDT)

The EB110 is pretty much the best built Italian exotic car ever made.

 

Wow, that’s just around the corner!

 

Peter

 

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From: Erik Nielsen
Sent: June 5, 2021 5:44 AM
To: Peter Rychel
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch this guy swallow hard ……

 

Spot on.

 

What really chaffs me about that era is actually the EB110.  Ferrari put ALL their effort into sabotaging that car because it really exposed them for what crappy products they were putting out, rather than accepting it for what it was (a better car built in the same neighborhood) and raising their game accordingly.  You can see the same games being played with Koenigsegg today and why Pagani has pivoted to building art instead of performance.

 

But nothing says screw you to Ferrari more than ordering a Bugatti.  Mine is now scheduled to arrive the week of July 12...

 



On Jun 5, 2021, at 1:26 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Admittedly, the 328 is one of the best out there but they are not infallible.

 

The 328, the 3.2 Mondial, Testarossa and later versions all use the same type of fuse box/relay board which are notoriously delicate and are quite prone to being overloaded. It’s the kind of situation of not if but when. Babied cars can last a while, but any that have had some use will inevitably have some accumulated weakness. What modern car needs their electrical control/nerve center replaced? Even my POS GM truck still has the same relays and fuses from 1990 and that truck was abused throughout it’s life (former workplace parts hauler and on-site service vehicle).

 

Same goes for the 328 LED climate control buttons which were cool and high tech in the ‘80s, but you’re pretty much SOL if they fail today.

 

cLyDe’s beloved 512 TR have an underserved cooling system which he documented upgrading to modern aftermarket rads. Again, I’ve never known a production-line car needing a radiator upgrade with a stock set-up, unless there’s been some egregious lack of maintenance (and cLyDe’s car would definitely be well maintained as it’s lasted this long under his care with the amount of mileage accumulated. And still...) or, has had some big performance upgrade. Oooohh, let’s throw in transaxles that self-destruct because Ferrari cheap'd out by using welded, case-hardened diff’s instead of forging them in one piece like every other manufacturer out there (that’s if the input shaft doesn’t shear off before the diff explodes. All well known design and manufacturing faults).

 

A lot of praise is heaped on the F1 transmission, but as much as the final, single clutch variant is probably the most “reliable” out of the bunch, what does one do when the bespoke hydraulic components crap out? It’s well documented how the first gen systems were terrible and parts are NLA. There’s a genuine reason why the market favors manual cars. cLyDe is adamant that they’re too weak for these V-12s, but at least if you burn out the clutch on those, you CAN limp it home (and nurse as much as you can with clutchless shifts which are totally doable with a syncro box). When the F1 fails, then what? Dial AAA and open yer wallet.

 

As for the ‘60s? With the quality control issues of a fascist workforce, you take a roll of the dice with that one. The only reason why they’re still around today is they look pretty and were never cheap/disposable. Although on that note, one of the old timers in the club here (Alfa guy) had mentioned when I questioned why so few cars survived, he said “we just drove them”. He drove his Alfa Giulietta Zagato even in the winter because it was his daily driver! When the cars rusted out badly, they parted them out and scrapped the rest. They weren’t made to last and nobody expected they’d be worth so much in the future. They bought them because they looked beautiful, were different than anything else on the road and were fun to drive. BUT, you always had to work on them, like any car of that era. Nothing was “reliable”. There were only cars that didn’t break down as much as others.

 

Peter

 

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From: Erik Nielsen
Sent: June 4, 2021 3:09 PM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch this guy swallow hard ……

 

You’re going to need time to hear the entire list.  

 

It may be easier to say which ones could be considered refined and reliable by the time they made it into the customer’s hands. 

 

275 GTS

330 GTC

328 GTB/GTS

512TR

575M with F1

 

The rest of them have flaws, some of them major.  

 

Ferrari has claimed they make cars similar to mistresses.  The 348 and 355 are in the crack whore category...

 




On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Dominic Carri <zigzagzoot [at] comcast.net> wrote:

 

I thought it was the 348 you didn’t like.

Now the 355

Can you list all of the FIAT era cars and tell us what you think of each

 

Zooty




On Jun 4, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

These cars were problematic from day one

It’s like Erik said 

If Ferrari put a horse on a turd it would sell out! 

 

 

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