Re: Watch_this_guy_swallow_hard + Paul' s fingerprint
From: Robert Garven (rgarvengmail.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
Paul,

You have been an inspiration to us all! I am keeping the stock panels !  HA

Rob






    Details of the electrical problem - which is also a problem of the 308:

    Using a two sided base board, printed copper wiring on both sides,
    unsoldered copper rivets connecting front and back.  Current can
    become heavy and the rivets are unable to transfer power from front to back.
    Realizing wires into various circuits of the car connect to areas adjacent
    to the rivets. Add relays and you want to cry.

    Fix - solder the rivets to the printed copper front and back.  Requires
    removal but al told not a big deal.   Exception some boards have 4 layers
    and the layer to layer connection is plated and difficult
    to access.

    Fortunate is the 308 owner who can but and aftermarket
    fuse panel which has other than Euro Barrels fuses.  They are actually
    reliable but require yearly maintenance.

    I heard of a fellow in Colorado who was going to
    manufacture replacement but substantial boards.            
    Never heard if it happened. Also heard that Bird sold
    out his business yet it continues to provide fuse blocks.

    As for me, at 85 my car is in the wind, my body
    is weak, but I continue to support the'colorized'
    wiring diagrams.  Someone asked if I would raise
    the price but I'm more likely to drop the price
    completely, but that price does provide
    income to pay GoDaddy to store the diagrams for 'yall.
    And I like the feedback from those many hours of translating
    the Owner's Manuals (unreadable) diagram to a readable,
    understandable thing of beauty. Plus many orders are from
    outside the US (with NA cars)

    Someone needs to inject Hallett98 every ten years
    so here goes.  Miss that month long car trip.  Can't
    happene again, can you picture us with masks at the
    restaurant across from the factory?
    sigh - paul- (Barbara has passed)


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch_this_guy_swallow_hard_……
> From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
> Date: Fri, June 04, 2021 11:26 pm
> To: Paul Bennett <pbennett [at] paul-bennett.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>
>
> Admittedly, the 328 is one of the best out there but they are not infallible.
>
> The 328, the 3.2 Mondial, Testarossa and later versions all use the same type of fuse box/relay board which are notoriously delicate and are quite prone to being overloaded. It’s the kind of situation of not if but when. Babied cars can last a while, but any that have had some use will inevitably have some accumulated weakness. What modern car needs their electrical control/nerve center replaced? Even my POS GM truck still has the same relays and fuses from 1990 and that truck was abused throughout it’s life (former workplace parts hauler and on-site service vehicle).
>
> Same goes for the 328 LED climate control buttons which were cool and high tech in the ‘80s, but you’re pretty much SOL if they fail today.
>
> cLyDe’s beloved 512 TR have an underserved cooling system which he documented upgrading to modern aftermarket rads. Again, I’ve never known a production-line car needing a radiator upgrade with a stock set-up, unless there’s been some egregious lack of maintenance (and cLyDe’s car would definitely be well maintained as it’s lasted this long under his care with the amount of mileage accumulated. And still...) or, has had some big performance upgrade. Oooohh, let’s throw in transaxles that self-destruct because Ferrari cheap'd out by using welded, case-hardened diff’s instead of forging them in one piece like every other manufacturer out there (that’s if the input shaft doesn’t shear off before the diff explodes. All well known design and manufacturing faults).
>
> A lot of praise is heaped on the F1 transmission, but as much as the final, single clutch variant is probably the most “reliable” out of the bunch, what does one do when the bespoke hydraulic components crap out? It’s well documented how the first gen systems were terrible and parts are NLA. There’s a genuine reason why the market favors manual cars. cLyDe is adamant that they’re too weak for these V-12s, but at least if you burn out the clutch on those, you CAN limp it home (and nurse as much as you can with clutchless shifts which are totally doable with a syncro box). When the F1 fails, then what? Dial AAA and open yer wallet.
>
> As for the ‘60s? With the quality control issues of a fascist workforce, you take a roll of the dice with that one. The only reason why they’re still around today is they look pretty and were never cheap/disposable. Although on that note, one of the old timers in the club here (Alfa guy) had mentioned when I questioned why so few cars survived, he said “we just drove them”. He drove his Alfa Giulietta Zagato even in the winter because it was his daily driver! When the cars rusted out badly, they parted them out and scrapped the rest. They weren’t made to last and nobody expected they’d be worth so much in the future. They bought them because they looked beautiful, were different than anything else on the road and were fun to drive. BUT, you always had to work on them, like any car of that era. Nothing was “reliable”. There were only cars that didn’t break down as much as others.
>
> Peter
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> From: Erik Nielsen<mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>
> Sent: June 4, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: PeterGT4<mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Watch this guy swallow hard ……
>
> You’re going to need time to hear the entire list.
>
> It may be easier to say which ones could be considered refined and reliable by the time they made it into the customer’s hands.
>
> 275 GTS
> 330 GTC
> 328 GTB/GTS
> 512TR
> 575M with F1
>
> The rest of them have flaws, some of them major.
>
> Ferrari has claimed they make cars similar to mistresses.  The 348 and 355 are in the crack whore category...
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Dominic Carri <zigzagzoot [at] comcast.net<mailto:zigzagzoot [at] comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> I thought it was the 348 you didn’t like.
> Now the 355
> Can you list all of the FIAT era cars and tell us what you think of each
>
> Zooty
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> These cars were problematic from day one
> It’s like Erik said
> If Ferrari put a horse on a turd it would sell out!
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ferrari-f355-spider-26/
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> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
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> Clyde Romero
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> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
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> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
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> Clyde Romero
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