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--- Begin Message ---Bubba, "20 monkeys on a 30 foot clothesline" ??????? What a vision that conjures up!!! Man, I am still laughing! I am glad to see that you are feeling better after your shunt, as it were. Ferrari Bubba Rules !!!!!!! Regards -----Original Message----- From: ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com [mailto:ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:50 PM To: rtpetrick [at] comcast.net Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 6, Issue 45 Send Ferrari mailing list submissions to ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com You can reach the person managing the list at ferrari-owner [at] ferrarilist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ferrari digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Dave Craig) 2. Re: 550 cost of ownership? (red5hilser [at] aol.com) 3. Re: 550 cost of ownership? (Dave Craig) 4. Re: 550 cost of ownership? (Jonathan Haines) 5. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Jason Polzer) 6. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Steve Jenkins) 7. Re: 550 cost of ownership? (red5hilser [at] aol.com) 8. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Dave Craig) 9. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Brian E. Buxton) 10. Re: 550 cost of ownership? (Brian E. Buxton) 11. Re: My Car Ownership History... (red5hilser [at] aol.com) 12. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Dave Craig) 13. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Jim and Cheryl Brown) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:37:08 -0600 From: "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: "'LS'" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <20070124213752.5BAB539803E [at] zoidberg.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lash, It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. Dave Craig -----Original Message----- From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM To: Dave Craig Cc: The FerrariList Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k $2000!!) 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft bearing 45,xxx Door trim falling off 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor noise and fluid level. What should I do with this thing?? I love it... LS ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:54:24 -0500 From: red5hilser [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? To: rentiers [at] mac.com Cc: len_ashburn [at] hotmail.com, accentsigns [at] sbcglobal.net, Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com, Staxwax [at] aol.com, marlene.burk [at] wamu.net, MaxEd49 [at] aol.com, F2KRACER [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8C90E19584A9BCF-CAC-1C4C [at] WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Ken: The only 'Bernie' story I have is when der Frau and I went to the Austrian GP in the mid-1990's and stayed in Graz, about 50 k's north of the former Yogoslavia. They were just finishing up one of their civil wars, and one night before the race, a man came up to me and offered to sell me a Soviet made RPG for $100 usd. I passed on it that night, only to have Bernie fly over me at 300 ft in his private chopper while I was still in the track parking lot. I knew it was Bernie because the track announcer was telling the crowd of his arrival at that time. DAMN, I would have given $1,000 to have that evil little troll in the cross-hairs! Yer Ferrari pal, Bubba -----Original Message----- From: rentiers [at] mac.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? Maybe 'Rodham' is just 'Mosley' spelled backwards. Wiili, tell the one about Bernie Ecclestone, the Troll under the Dunlop Bridge and the bucket of gold! ken On Jan 24, 2007, at 2:28 PM, red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote: Hey Ken: No, it's NOT Hillary. It's 'Mad Max' Mosley of F1 fame. His father, Sir Oswald Mosley, founder of Britian's 'Black Shirts' and the entire family were thrown into prison in 1940 and released only after the war in late 1945.. Max was only 4 months old (1940) when Sir Winston had him fitted for his own little striped suit. Max's parents were good friends with Der Fuhrer, and A.H. even attended their wedding reception. This might partially explain why F1 is so screwed up these days. BTW, if you don't believe me ... look it up. Yer 'history buff' pal, Ferrari Bubba Been there. [Rant]The E39 radiator expansion tank hose fitting cracks without exception between 50 - 65K. This is because the Germans are in love with recycling, and use recycled parts including recycled plastic coolant tanks which become brittle after 'n' heating/cooling cycles and crack. Seems to me it would be a more efficient use of resources to make the damn things right in the first place than to make parts that must be replaced several times over the life of the car. [/Rant] ken (Is Hillary really the recycled child of AH and Eva Braun?) _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. = ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:00:02 -0600 From: "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <20070124220028.AEA8E39801E [at] zoidberg.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" First off, this is meant as no disrespect to Michael Sheehan. He was just documenting what some other guys were actually doing. I respect Michael's opinion a lot and view him as a very valuable member of the Ferrari community. Ok, around 2 years ago we had a discussion about the 550. At the time it was said by a few owners and others that the 550s and 575s were by far the most daily drivable Grand Touring 2 seater Ferraris ever made. It was also pointed out that the maintenance was actually cheaper than the maintenance on the V8 counterparts due to the ease in which the timing belts could be changed and general engine access. And that the maintenance costs are way way cheaper than the maintenance costs on an older V12 car (the specific example was the TR and 512TR series of cars). This was also confirmed by a few Ferrari dealerships that I have been in. I was told that the 30K maintenance on a 550 is significantly cheaper than the 30K on a 360, 355, 348, or even a 328, not to mention a TR or 512TR. So, either this car is not indicative of the typical 550, or these guys just had way more money than brains (this is the answer I pick). Ok, since it has been a little while since this was discussed, is the 550 cheaper, basically the same, or more expensive to own than any other Ferrari and why? Dave Craig -----Original Message----- From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net [mailto:jimshadow [at] verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:08 AM To: Dave Craig Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? Is this consistent with the exorience of the 550 owners on this list....? Are there any? Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:52:53 To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? Under the category, "If you have to ask..." Tom Reynolds Tulsa, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce T. Hill" <bruce.hill1 [at] cox.net> To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? > Interesting article. > > http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/939 > > Some of the costs are simply ridiculous. $125 for a license plate frame? WTF! > > Some people have more money than brains. > > Bruce > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/kjtar%40cox.net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 12/30/06 > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jimshadow%40verizon.net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:25:39 -0800 From: Jonathan Haines <oblioh [at] adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <00CE8FE2-3B53-48CA-B6F7-73BAB756C8AB [at] adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sounds like the original owner beat the crap out of the car without any mechanical sensibility. None of my Ferraris have required anything like this kind of attention. Was the car warmed-up after a cold start? Probably not, hence oil leaks. Ranch in Ojai? Hmmmmm...probably drove it off-road without a care in the world. The original owner belongs in a Toyota Avalon, not a Ferrari. Like youth being wasted on the young, this is money on wasted on the rich. As P.J. O'Rourke wrote: "I say, eat the rich". Jonathan Haines. Ferrari F355 Lotus Elise Ducati 1098 On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Jason Polzer wrote: > "I spend more than that on crap on eBay every year." > > Hehe > > Jason > > Bruce T. Hill wrote: >> Interesting article. >> >> http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/939 >> >> Some of the costs are simply ridiculous. $125 for a license plate >> frame? WTF! >> >> Some people have more money than brains. >> >> Bruce >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason% >> 40internethosting.com >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/oblioh% > 40adelphia.net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:44:51 -0500 From: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: Dave Craig <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <45B7E163.90608 [at] internethosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed High maintenance cars = fun Low maintenance cars = boring High maintenance women..... It's just life. :) Jason Dave Craig wrote: > Lash, > > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > > Dave Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Dave Craig > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: > > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k > $2000!!) > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft > bearing > 45,xxx Door trim falling off > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor > noise and fluid level. > > What should I do with this thing?? I love it... > > LS > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. > net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ..com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:58:20 -0800 From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: "'Jason Polzer'" <jason [at] internethosting.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <020001c7400b$262dc460$0202fea9 [at] maple.jenkins.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jason: May I be so bold as to propose some edits? High maintenance cars with high performance = fun Low maintenance cars with high performance = still fun, but extremely rare High maintenance cars with low performance = never boring, but a nightmare which should be disposed of as quickly as possible Low maintenance cars with low performance = boring And NOW you can swap in "women" for "cars" above and it's all still true. :) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jason Polzer [mailto:jason [at] internethosting.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:45 PM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... High maintenance cars = fun Low maintenance cars = boring High maintenance women..... It's just life. :) Jason Dave Craig wrote: > Lash, > > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > > Dave Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Dave Craig > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: > > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k > $2000!!) > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft > bearing > 45,xxx Door trim falling off > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor > noise and fluid level. > > What should I do with this thing?? I love it... > > LS > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. > net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ...com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/steve%40stevejenkins.co m Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:05:55 -0500 From: red5hilser [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? To: oblioh [at] adelphia.net Cc: len_ashburn [at] hotmail.com, Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com, dhartshorne [at] cei.net, Staxwax [at] aol.com, marlene.burk [at] wamu.net, F2KRACER [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8C90E23560B6018-CAC-241D [at] WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Humm, are we assuming here? My old boss, George Hearst Jr. had a 5,000 acre ranch in Ojai too. Plus a modest little 80,000 acre spread near San Simeon, overlooking the Pacific. You might have heard if it. ... And believe it or not, most of the roads, to and from, were paved. I took my solid rod, roller-bearing crank 356 Porsche up there a few times as his guest, and it never saw dirt. Hell, I even hear there are a few paved roads here in Baja Arkansaw! Who would have 'thunk' it? Yer 'Hillbilly pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: oblioh [at] adelphia.net To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? Sounds like the original owner beat the crap out of the car without any mechanical sensibility. None of my Ferraris have required anything like this kind of attention. Was the car warmed-up after a cold start? Probably not, hence oil leaks. Ranch in Ojai? Hmmmmm...probably drove it off-road without a care in the world. The original owner belongs in a Toyota Avalon, not a Ferrari. Like youth being wasted on the young, this is money on wasted on the rich. As P.J. O'Rourke wrote: "I say, eat the rich". Jonathan Haines. Ferrari F355 Lotus Elise Ducati 1098 On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Jason Polzer wrote: > "I spend more than that on crap on eBay every year." > > Hehe > > Jason > > Bruce T. Hill wrote: >> Interesting article. >> >> http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/939 >> >> Some of the costs are simply ridiculous. $125 for a license plate >> frame? WTF! >> >> Some people have more money than brains. >> >> Bruce >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason% >> 40internethosting.com >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/oblioh% > 40adelphia.net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:19:11 -0600 From: "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: "'Jason Polzer'" <jason [at] internethosting.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <20070124231936.278AA398063 [at] zoidberg.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This list is a wealth of knowledge. It had never crossed my mind that high maintenance women are more fun than low maintenance women. I will have to ponder this analogy some more. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jason Polzer [mailto:jason [at] internethosting.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:45 PM To: Dave Craig Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... High maintenance cars = fun Low maintenance cars = boring High maintenance women..... It's just life. :) Jason Dave Craig wrote: > Lash, > > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > > Dave Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Dave Craig > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: > > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k > $2000!!) > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft > bearing > 45,xxx Door trim falling off > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor > noise and fluid level. > > What should I do with this thing?? I love it... > > LS > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. > net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ...com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:21:01 -0600 From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: Dave Craig <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <45B7E9DD.9060705 [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dave, Check your numbers - a stock C6 Corvette is faster than a GT500 0-60 and 1/4 mile. A Vette is about $10K more, but buy a used 2005/2006 and let someone else take the $10K difference and you still get warranty! Plus, the new Vettes are made 10X better than Ford could ever think of. And $41K for a solid rear axle car? Brian Dave Craig wrote: >Lash, > >It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. >I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen >every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that >car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like >it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more >than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > >So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you >will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car >with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. >It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know >there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't >be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > >Dave Craig > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:23:27 -0600 From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550 cost of ownership? To: Dave Craig <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <45B7EA6F.60000 [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The problem with that 550 was the owner took it to the dealer with an open checkbook and the service dept, was happy to take advantage o the situation. If two rear tires are $800.00 there is no way a fluid and filter change (a 15K service) should cost $1,500.00+. Brian Dave Craig wrote: >First off, this is meant as no disrespect to Michael Sheehan. He was just >documenting what some other guys were actually doing. I respect Michael's >opinion a lot and view him as a very valuable member of the Ferrari >community. > >Ok, around 2 years ago we had a discussion about the 550. At the time it >was said by a few owners and others that the 550s and 575s were by far the >most daily drivable Grand Touring 2 seater Ferraris ever made. It was also >pointed out that the maintenance was actually cheaper than the maintenance >on the V8 counterparts due to the ease in which the timing belts could be >changed and general engine access. And that the maintenance costs are way >way cheaper than the maintenance costs on an older V12 car (the specific >example was the TR and 512TR series of cars). This was also confirmed by a >few Ferrari dealerships that I have been in. I was told that the 30K >maintenance on a 550 is significantly cheaper than the 30K on a 360, 355, >348, or even a 328, not to mention a TR or 512TR. > >So, either this car is not indicative of the typical 550, or these guys just >had way more money than brains (this is the answer I pick). > >Ok, since it has been a little while since this was discussed, is the 550 >cheaper, basically the same, or more expensive to own than any other Ferrari >and why? > >Dave Craig > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:40:56 -0500 From: red5hilser [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net Cc: msgehring54 [at] gmail.com, Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com, threehubcaps [at] yahoo.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com, ddluigi2 [at] cox.net, DROBERTS9 [at] bak.rr.com, cracham [at] msn.com Message-ID: <8C90E283A5BE317-CAC-273B [at] WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Dave: Believe me ... in my 70 years here on earth, I've generally found the the high maintenance, slightly wacky women are the most challenging and fun. I would never marry one, but they usually could perform more tricks on a king size bed than a tribe of 20 monkeys could do on a 30 foot clothes line! And I've got the scars to prove it. Yer (older but wiser) pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... This list is a wealth of knowledge. It had never crossed my mind that high maintenance women are more fun than low maintenance women. I will have to ponder this analogy some more. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jason Polzer [mailto:jason [at] internethosting.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:45 PM To: Dave Craig Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... High maintenance cars = fun Low maintenance cars = boring High maintenance women..... It's just life. :) Jason Dave Craig wrote: > Lash, > > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > > Dave Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Dave Craig > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: > > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k > $2000!!) > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft > bearing > 45,xxx Door trim falling off > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor > noise and fluid level. > > What should I do with this thing?? I love it... > > LS > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. > net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ...com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:48:11 -0600 From: "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: <red5hilser [at] aol.com> Cc: msgehring54 [at] gmail.com, Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com, threehubcaps [at] yahoo.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com, ddluigi2 [at] cox.net, DROBERTS9 [at] bak.rr.com, cracham [at] msn.com Message-ID: <20070124234837.6AFD81448252 [at] hermes.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, literally, I fell off of my chair laughing. Thanks! Dave _____ From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:41 PM To: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; ddluigi2 [at] cox.net; cracham [at] msn.com; msgehring54 [at] gmail.com; threehubcaps [at] yahoo.com; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com; DROBERTS9 [at] bak.rr.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... Hey Dave: Believe me ... in my 70 years here on earth, I've generally found the the high maintenance, slightly wacky women are the most challenging and fun. I would never marry one, but they usually could perform more tricks on a king size bed than a tribe of 20 monkeys could do on a 30 foot clothes line! And I've got the scars to prove it. Yer (older but wiser) pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... This list is a wealth of knowledge. It had never crossed my mind that high maintenance women are more fun than low maintenance women. I will have to ponder this analogy some more. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jason Polzer [mailto:jason [at] internethosting.com <mailto:jason%40internethosting.com> ] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:45 PM To: Dave Craig Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... High maintenance cars = fun Low maintenance cars = boring High maintenance women..... It's just life. :) Jason Dave Craig wrote: > Lash, > > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last TransAm. > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was stolen > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt like > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. > > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby GT500. > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car can't > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. > > Dave Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com <mailto:lashdeep%40yahoo.com> ] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Dave Craig > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: > > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k > $2000!!) > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft > bearing > 45,xxx Door trim falling off > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, monitor > noise and fluid level. > > What should I do with this thing?? I love it... > > LS > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. > net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ...com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:34 -0500 From: "Jim and Cheryl Brown" <barchetta [at] verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... To: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <001b01c74012$52f89400$6500a8c0 [at] jimpc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sage wisdom indeed... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> To: "JB" <barchetta [at] verizon.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > Jason: > > May I be so bold as to propose some edits? > > High maintenance cars with high performance = fun > Low maintenance cars with high performance = still fun, but extremely rare > > High maintenance cars with low performance = never boring, but a nightmare > which should be disposed of as quickly as possible > Low maintenance cars with low performance = boring > > And NOW you can swap in "women" for "cars" above and it's all still true. > :) > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Polzer [mailto:jason [at] internethosting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:45 PM > To: Steve Jenkins > Cc: 'The FerrariList' > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... > > > High maintenance cars = fun > Low maintenance cars = boring > High maintenance women..... > > It's just life. :) > > Jason > > Dave Craig wrote: >> Lash, >> >> It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last > TransAm. >> I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was >> stolen >> every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on that >> car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt > like >> it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car more >> than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. >> >> So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or you >> will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar car >> with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby > GT500. >> It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I know >> there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car > can't >> be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. >> >> Dave Craig >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM >> To: Dave Craig >> Cc: The FerrariList >> Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History... >> >> My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history: >> >> 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489) >> 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU >> 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil >> 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights >> 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again >> 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans >> 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button >> faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k >> $2000!!) >> 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring >> 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and sleeves >> 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic impeller >> 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator >> 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft >> bearing >> 45,xxx Door trim falling off >> 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit >> 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column, >> monitor >> noise and fluid level. >> >> What should I do with this thing?? I love it... >> >> LS >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ >> ________ >> Never Miss an Email >> Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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