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--- Begin Message ---Willi (aka Ferrari Bubba), your description of life in BFA is really funny. You missed your calling, man....you should have been a comedy writer.... Regards -----Original Message----- From: ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com [mailto:ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:22 PM To: rtpetrick [at] comcast.net Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 Send Ferrari mailing list submissions to ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com You can reach the person managing the list at ferrari-owner [at] ferrarilist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ferrari digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? (Dave Handa) 2. Re: NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? (Steve Jenkins) 3. Re: NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? (red5hilser [at] aol.com) 4. Gearbox lubricants (Charles G Perry IV) 5. Re: Gearbox lubricants (LarryT) 6. Re: Gearbox lubricants (Charles G Perry IV) 7. Re: NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? (Jason Polzer) 8. Re: Gearbox lubricants (LarryT) 9. Re: Gearbox lubricants (Dave Craig) 10. Re: NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? (Tom Reynolds) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:16:20 -0800 From: "Dave Handa" <dave [at] davehanda.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? To: "'Dave Handa'" <dave [at] davehanda.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <0bde01c746ed$dea8daf0$b500a8c0 [at] FerrariLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.artmorrison.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dave Handa [mailto:dave [at] davehanda.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:32 AM To: dave [at] davehanda.com Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Check this website out. Our local FCA chapter had a tour there a couple months ago. Very impressive what they can do, fully modernizing the performance, braking and handling of a classic old American sports car. The level of craftsmanship on that silver Corvette was amazing. Not for the faint of heart, as this is expensive! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:58 AM To: dave [at] davehanda.com Cc: The FerrariList Subject: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? First of all, I'm not sure of the proper terminology here, but what I'm looking for is a site or sites for the following type of car; one that has an "old style" body (or at least resembles an older/previous auto) but has "modern upgrades" in the areas of suspension, engine, etc. Not really a kit car, although I'm not averse philosophically to them as long as they don't blatantly pretend to be something else, but an old car updated to handle well by today's standards and to get good fuel economy and power with modern engine management systems. ?? Thanks all very much, Tom Reynolds Tulsa, OK _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:44:29 -0800 From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? To: <red5hilser [at] aol.com> Cc: Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com Message-ID: <098101c746fa$31e2e470$6e01a8c0 [at] maple.jenkins.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, Willi. I'm not buying the hillbilly act. You've got access to the Internet. That excludes you from hillbillidom. :) You're a HillWilli. Steve -----Original Message----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:00 AM To: steve [at] stevejenkins.com Cc: Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com; marlene.burk [at] wamu.net; DROBERTS9 [at] bak.rr.com; dhartshorne [at] cei.net; bigwheels1011 [at] yahoo.com; jrhartshorne [at] yahoo.com; advocate [at] azstarnet.com; ddluigi2 [at] cox.net; cracham [at] msn.com; threehubcaps [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Steve: Pop Culture? Get serious! This ain't Seattle. In this neck of the woods everybody drives an old pickup, wears bib coveralls, lives in a single-wide, has a half dozen kids and coon dogs, and takes his wife/cousin to Dairy Queen on Saturday night. Their conception of 'taking out the trash' is opening the front door and giving it a good toss. With the 'Ferrari,' I'm about as out of place as pork chops would be at an Orthodox Jewish wedding! Der Frau is completing her degree at Henderson State University and is producing the weekly 'Coaches Show' for our local TV station. After growing up in the L.A. area and listening to 'Fight On For Old SC' ten thousand times, guess what the Henderson fight song is? 'She'll Be Comming 'Round The Mountian!' At least it's not 'Dueling Banjos.' <G> Yer Hillbilly pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: steve [at] stevejenkins.com To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Time to brush up on your pop culture, Willi. :) http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/becklyrics/loserlyrics.html SJ -----Original Message----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> ] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:18 AM To: steve [at] stevejenkins.com <mailto:steve%40stevejenkins.com> Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:Ferrari%40ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Steve: Why? This one looked like fun and went faster than a cat that just sat in a puddle of tirpentine! Yer pal, Shitbox Bubba -----Original Message----- From: steve [at] stevejenkins.com <mailto:steve%40stevejenkins.com> To: red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:Ferrari%40ferrarilist.com> Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Bubba: Don't buy a Beck Spyder. It's a loser, baby. SteveJ -----Original Message----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> ] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:28 AM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: F2KRACER [at] aol.com <mailto:F2KRACER%40aol.com> ; MaxEd49 [at] aol.com <mailto:MaxEd49%40aol.com> ; Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:Ferrari%40ferrarilist.com> ; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com <mailto:Rexnbutchie%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Tom: What is your opinion of the 'Beck Spyder?' I almost bought a Silver one with red leather seats, disc brakes, and Porsche 1600 Super engine instead of the 'Shitbox.' And no, it didn't have 'Little Bastard' painted on the nose. Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: kjtar [at] cox.net <mailto:kjtar%40cox.net> To: red5hilser [at] aol.com <mailto:red5hilser%40aol.com> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:ferrari%40ferrarilist.com> Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 6:58 AM Subject: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? First of all, I'm not sure of the proper terminology here, but what I'm looking for is a site or sites for the following type of car; one that has an "old style" body (or at least resembles an older/previous auto) but has "modern upgrades" in the areas of suspension, engine, etc. Not really a kit car, although I'm not averse philosophically to them as long as they don't blatantly pretend to be something else, but an old car updated to handle well by today's standards and to get good fuel economy and power with modern engine management systems. ?? Thanks all very much, Tom Reynolds Tulsa, OK _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/steve%40stevejenkins.co m Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _____ <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:59:46 -0500 From: red5hilser [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? To: steve [at] stevejenkins.com Cc: bigwheels1011 [at] yahoo.com, ddluigi2 [at] cox.net, Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com, threehubcaps [at] yahoo.com, DROBERTS9 [at] bak.rr.com, advocate [at] azstarnet.com, dhartshorne [at] cei.net, marlene.burk [at] wamu.net, jrhartshorne [at] yahoo.com, cracham [at] msn.com Message-ID: <8C91502AD778FA1-102C-1E88 [at] WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Steve: Pop Culture? Get serious! This ain't Seattle. In this neck of the woods everybody drives an old pickup, wears bib coveralls, lives in a single-wide, has a half dozen kids and coon dogs, and takes his wife/cousin to Dairy Queen on Saturday night. Their conception of 'taking out the trash' is opening the front door and giving it a good toss. With the 'Ferrari,' I'm about as out of place as pork chops would be at an Orthodox Jewish wedding! Der Frau is completing her degree at Henderson State University and is producing the weekly 'Coaches Show' for our local TV station. After growing up in the L.A. area and listening to 'Fight On For Old SC' ten thousand times, guess what the Henderson fight song is? 'She'll Be Comming 'Round The Mountian!' At least it's not 'Dueling Banjos.' <G> Yer Hillbilly pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: steve [at] stevejenkins.com To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Time to brush up on your pop culture, Willi. :) http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/becklyrics/loserlyrics.html SJ -----Original Message----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:18 AM To: steve [at] stevejenkins.com Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Steve: Why? This one looked like fun and went faster than a cat that just sat in a puddle of tirpentine! Yer pal, Shitbox Bubba -----Original Message----- From: steve [at] stevejenkins.com To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Bubba: Don't buy a Beck Spyder. It's a loser, baby. SteveJ -----Original Message----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:28 AM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: F2KRACER [at] aol.com; MaxEd49 [at] aol.com; Ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Tom: What is your opinion of the 'Beck Spyder?' I almost bought a Silver one with red leather seats, disc brakes, and Porsche 1600 Super engine instead of the 'Shitbox.' And no, it didn't have 'Little Bastard' painted on the nose. Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: kjtar [at] cox.net To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 6:58 AM Subject: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? First of all, I'm not sure of the proper terminology here, but what I'm looking for is a site or sites for the following type of car; one that has an "old style" body (or at least resembles an older/previous auto) but has "modern upgrades" in the areas of suspension, engine, etc. Not really a kit car, although I'm not averse philosophically to them as long as they don't blatantly pretend to be something else, but an old car updated to handle well by today's standards and to get good fuel economy and power with modern engine management systems. ?? Thanks all very much, Tom Reynolds Tulsa, OK _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/steve%40stevejenkins.co m Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:33:18 -0500 From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Subject: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants To: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <008d01c74709$601fe810$c703a8c0 [at] CGDesk> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'm sure this is hard to describe without actually experiencing it, but can someone describe in detail what exactly the chatter is and/or what it feels like in practice? I'm having some continuing gearbox issues with my TR and after having had two good mechanics check it with minimal improvement, my next thought was to buy several different recommended oils and test each of them to see if any of them help, but aside from the smoothness in shifting I'm not sure what else to watch for to judge their performance. Thanks! -- charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some > > <For those unfamiliar with Redline products > http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?productID=38&subCatego > ryID=15&categoryID=6 > > The recommended gear oil for Ferrari (by Redline and most Ferrari techs) > is > the 75w-90 NS. For particularly troublesome shifting Ferraris, use MTL.> > > I'll second the 75w90NS in transaxle cars. > > If you experience chattering of the LSD with the NS, you can add a very > small amount of their friction modifier, something like 1-2 ounces should > be > enough, but I'd have to check my notes to be sure. > > I'm not sure about the MTL (or its heavier cousin MT90) as these are > non-hypoid oils. I've never been able to get a definitive answer as to > whether or not the Ferrari transaxle requires a hypoid oil or not, but was > under the impression that they did. > > Anyone know for sure? > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Bennett [mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:52 AM > To: dave [at] davehanda.com > Cc: The FerrariList > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some > >>...Mine was extremely reliable and never had the 2nd gear issue. I could > shift into second normally even in winter with Redline synthetic. > > Samo samo here - Redline puts the cold 2nd shift to bed forever. > >>> Extingusher on board > > That's to impress the chicks. HOT car. > >>> Oh yea they leak > > My GTB has yet to leak. > > *********removing tongue gently from cheek he continues*************** > > That NZ fellow asking recommendations about which model should probably > consider the 512bb(i). > Now there's a performance car with the 308 look. > My virgin Ferrari lust was Testrossa but after learning more about them > the > 512 became my real heart's desire. > Would still trade my 308 for one today fully knowing the maintenance bills > would probably double (?triple?) > Raw performance. Clyde, do you still have one? They're truely a rare > model that I've not seen on the road. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/coyote%40acme-ltd.com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/charles%40carolina-soun d.com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:04:17 -0500 From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <01b701c7470d$b41c50d0$0402a8c0 [at] ACERASPIRE> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hey Charles, Let me take a crack at it. I assume you're asking about "clutch chatter"? It's the only chatter I've heard which refers to a transmission. Assuming that's correct - a clutch chatters when the clutch disc doesn't grab the flywheel completely but instead, skips across the surface grabbing, then releasing rapidly over and over. It producing a bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump kind of sound & feeling - which happens *very* rapidly. Also, it happens as the clutch is released - meaning the clutch is lifted from the floor allowing it to engage. In my experience, the chatter (or judder as it is sometimes called) stops when the pedal is fully out. Does that help? I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with a better way to describe it. How about this - picture a gear turning rapidly and sometime is trying to mesh with the gear but instead of meshing it bounces off the gear preventing it meshing?? How about that? Sometime a chatter/judder is caused by contamination on the clutch disc or possibly the flywheel is warped although a warped flywheel often causes more drastic symptoms. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > I'm sure this is hard to describe without actually experiencing it, but > can > someone describe in detail what exactly the chatter is and/or what it > feels > like in practice? > > I'm having some continuing gearbox issues with my TR and after having had > two good mechanics check it with minimal improvement, my next thought was > to > buy several different recommended oils and test each of them to see if any > of them help, but aside from the smoothness in shifting I'm not sure what > else to watch for to judge their performance. > > Thanks! > > -- charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> > To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some > > >> >> <For those unfamiliar with Redline products >> http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?productID=38&subCatego >> ryID=15&categoryID=6 >> >> The recommended gear oil for Ferrari (by Redline and most Ferrari techs) >> is >> the 75w-90 NS. For particularly troublesome shifting Ferraris, use MTL.> >> >> I'll second the 75w90NS in transaxle cars. >> >> If you experience chattering of the LSD with the NS, you can add a very >> small amount of their friction modifier, something like 1-2 ounces should >> be >> enough, but I'd have to check my notes to be sure. >> >> I'm not sure about the MTL (or its heavier cousin MT90) as these are >> non-hypoid oils. I've never been able to get a definitive answer as to >> whether or not the Ferrari transaxle requires a hypoid oil or not, but >> was >> under the impression that they did. >> >> Anyone know for sure? >> >> Jeff >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:52 AM >> To: dave [at] davehanda.com >> Cc: The FerrariList >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >> >>>...Mine was extremely reliable and never had the 2nd gear issue. I could >> shift into second normally even in winter with Redline synthetic. >> >> Samo samo here - Redline puts the cold 2nd shift to bed forever. >> >>>> Extingusher on board >> >> That's to impress the chicks. HOT car. >> >>>> Oh yea they leak >> >> My GTB has yet to leak. >> >> *********removing tongue gently from cheek he continues*************** >> >> That NZ fellow asking recommendations about which model should probably >> consider the 512bb(i). >> Now there's a performance car with the 308 look. >> My virgin Ferrari lust was Testrossa but after learning more about them >> the >> 512 became my real heart's desire. >> Would still trade my 308 for one today fully knowing the maintenance >> bills >> would probably double (?triple?) >> Raw performance. Clyde, do you still have one? They're truely a rare >> model that I've not seen on the road. >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/coyote%40acme-ltd.com >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/charles%40carolina-soun d.com >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:07:42 -0500 From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <001201c7470e$2e28d290$c703a8c0 [at] CGDesk> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Thanks, Larry. That is a good description of clutch chatter, which I think I can recognize. But I think the one people are referring to here is differential chatter. The TR, like several other Ferraris, I believe, shares oil between its transmission and its differential. So if you put a non-slip oil in the gearbox, I think the differential sometimes can't get enough friction to do its job properly, so it slips, as you described, also chattering in some form. The solution, if that happens, seems to be to add a little non-slip additive at a time until the problem balances/goes away. But I don't know how to detect differntial chatter, or how to discern it from clutch chatter if the car happens to have multiple problems. Thanks! -- charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > Hey Charles, > Let me take a crack at it. I assume you're asking about "clutch > chatter"? It's the only chatter I've heard which refers to a > transmission. > > Assuming that's correct - a clutch chatters when the clutch disc > doesn't grab the flywheel completely but instead, skips across the surface > grabbing, then releasing rapidly over and over. It producing a bump, > bump, bump, bump, bump, bump kind of sound & feeling - which happens > *very* rapidly. Also, it happens as the clutch is released - meaning the > clutch is lifted from the floor allowing it to engage. In my experience, > the chatter (or judder as it is sometimes called) stops when the pedal is > fully out. > > Does that help? I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up > with a better way to describe it. > > How about this - picture a gear turning rapidly and sometime is trying to > mesh with the gear but instead of meshing it bounces off the gear > preventing it meshing?? > > How about that? > > Sometime a chatter/judder is caused by contamination on the clutch disc or > possibly the flywheel is warped although a warped flywheel often causes > more drastic symptoms. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> > To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:33 PM > Subject: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > > >> I'm sure this is hard to describe without actually experiencing it, but >> can >> someone describe in detail what exactly the chatter is and/or what it >> feels >> like in practice? >> >> I'm having some continuing gearbox issues with my TR and after having had >> two good mechanics check it with minimal improvement, my next thought was >> to >> buy several different recommended oils and test each of them to see if >> any >> of them help, but aside from the smoothness in shifting I'm not sure what >> else to watch for to judge their performance. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- charles >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> >> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> >> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >> >> >>> >>> <For those unfamiliar with Redline products >>> http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?productID=38&subCatego >>> ryID=15&categoryID=6 >>> >>> The recommended gear oil for Ferrari (by Redline and most Ferrari techs) >>> is >>> the 75w-90 NS. For particularly troublesome shifting Ferraris, use >>> MTL.> >>> >>> I'll second the 75w90NS in transaxle cars. >>> >>> If you experience chattering of the LSD with the NS, you can add a very >>> small amount of their friction modifier, something like 1-2 ounces >>> should >>> be >>> enough, but I'd have to check my notes to be sure. >>> >>> I'm not sure about the MTL (or its heavier cousin MT90) as these are >>> non-hypoid oils. I've never been able to get a definitive answer as to >>> whether or not the Ferrari transaxle requires a hypoid oil or not, but >>> was >>> under the impression that they did. >>> >>> Anyone know for sure? >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:52 AM >>> To: dave [at] davehanda.com >>> Cc: The FerrariList >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >>> >>>>...Mine was extremely reliable and never had the 2nd gear issue. I could >>> shift into second normally even in winter with Redline synthetic. >>> >>> Samo samo here - Redline puts the cold 2nd shift to bed forever. >>> >>>>> Extingusher on board >>> >>> That's to impress the chicks. HOT car. >>> >>>>> Oh yea they leak >>> >>> My GTB has yet to leak. >>> >>> *********removing tongue gently from cheek he continues*************** >>> >>> That NZ fellow asking recommendations about which model should probably >>> consider the 512bb(i). >>> Now there's a performance car with the 308 look. >>> My virgin Ferrari lust was Testrossa but after learning more about them >>> the >>> 512 became my real heart's desire. >>> Would still trade my 308 for one today fully knowing the maintenance >>> bills >>> would probably double (?triple?) >>> Raw performance. Clyde, do you still have one? They're truely a rare >>> model that I've not seen on the road. >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com >>> >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/coyote%40acme-ltd.com >>> >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/charles%40carolina-soun d.com >>> >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net >> >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:23:50 -0500 From: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? To: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <45C3ABE6.2040200 [at] internethosting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Some Tifosi on the list posted a link one time to their company that built "net" Camaro's etc ... I can't find it in the archives, Tom is that what you are looking for? Jason Tom Reynolds wrote: > First of all, I'm not sure of the proper terminology here, but what I'm looking for is a site or sites for the following type of car; one that has an "old style" body (or at least resembles an older/previous auto) but has "modern upgrades" in the areas of suspension, engine, etc. Not really a kit car, although I'm not averse philosophically to them as long as they don't blatantly pretend to be something else, but an old car updated to handle well by today's standards and to get good fuel economy and power with modern engine management systems. > ?? > Thanks all very much, > Tom Reynolds > Tulsa, OK > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jason%40internethosting ..com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:57:32 -0500 From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <01fd01c7471d$8618e2b0$0402a8c0 [at] ACERASPIRE> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Hi Charles, Hmm...not sure I really helped. IAC, I'm totally unfamiliar with differential chatter - but I guess a limited slip differential must slip before becoming locked up - perhaps that's where the slip and chatter comes from? If that's the case, I still don't have a clue what it might sound like. ;-) But I'll keep an eye on the list and see if I can learn something. BTW, Thanks for the feedback - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > Thanks, Larry. That is a good description of clutch chatter, which I think > I can recognize. > > But I think the one people are referring to here is differential chatter. > The TR, like several other Ferraris, I believe, shares oil between its > transmission and its differential. So if you put a non-slip oil in the > gearbox, I think the differential sometimes can't get enough friction to > do its job properly, so it slips, as you described, also chattering in > some form. The solution, if that happens, seems to be to add a little > non-slip additive at a time until the problem balances/goes away. > > But I don't know how to detect differntial chatter, or how to discern it > from clutch chatter if the car happens to have multiple problems. > > Thanks! > > -- charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > > >> Hey Charles, >> Let me take a crack at it. I assume you're asking about "clutch >> chatter"? It's the only chatter I've heard which refers to a >> transmission. >> >> Assuming that's correct - a clutch chatters when the clutch disc >> doesn't grab the flywheel completely but instead, skips across the >> surface grabbing, then releasing rapidly over and over. It producing a >> bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump kind of sound & feeling - which >> happens *very* rapidly. Also, it happens as the clutch is released - >> meaning the clutch is lifted from the floor allowing it to engage. In >> my experience, the chatter (or judder as it is sometimes called) stops >> when the pedal is fully out. >> >> Does that help? I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up >> with a better way to describe it. >> >> How about this - picture a gear turning rapidly and sometime is trying to >> mesh with the gear but instead of meshing it bounces off the gear >> preventing it meshing?? >> >> How about that? >> >> Sometime a chatter/judder is caused by contamination on the clutch disc >> or possibly the flywheel is warped although a warped flywheel often >> causes more drastic symptoms. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> >> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> >> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:33 PM >> Subject: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants >> >> >>> I'm sure this is hard to describe without actually experiencing it, but >>> can >>> someone describe in detail what exactly the chatter is and/or what it >>> feels >>> like in practice? >>> >>> I'm having some continuing gearbox issues with my TR and after having >>> had >>> two good mechanics check it with minimal improvement, my next thought >>> was to >>> buy several different recommended oils and test each of them to see if >>> any >>> of them help, but aside from the smoothness in shifting I'm not sure >>> what >>> else to watch for to judge their performance. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- charles >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> >>> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> >>> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >>> >>> >>>> >>>> <For those unfamiliar with Redline products >>>> http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?productID=38&subCatego >>>> ryID=15&categoryID=6 >>>> >>>> The recommended gear oil for Ferrari (by Redline and most Ferrari >>>> techs) >>>> is >>>> the 75w-90 NS. For particularly troublesome shifting Ferraris, use >>>> MTL.> >>>> >>>> I'll second the 75w90NS in transaxle cars. >>>> >>>> If you experience chattering of the LSD with the NS, you can add a very >>>> small amount of their friction modifier, something like 1-2 ounces >>>> should >>>> be >>>> enough, but I'd have to check my notes to be sure. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure about the MTL (or its heavier cousin MT90) as these are >>>> non-hypoid oils. I've never been able to get a definitive answer as to >>>> whether or not the Ferrari transaxle requires a hypoid oil or not, but >>>> was >>>> under the impression that they did. >>>> >>>> Anyone know for sure? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:52 AM >>>> To: dave [at] davehanda.com >>>> Cc: The FerrariList >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >>>> >>>>>...Mine was extremely reliable and never had the 2nd gear issue. I >>>>>could >>>> shift into second normally even in winter with Redline synthetic. >>>> >>>> Samo samo here - Redline puts the cold 2nd shift to bed forever. >>>> >>>>>> Extingusher on board >>>> >>>> That's to impress the chicks. HOT car. >>>> >>>>>> Oh yea they leak >>>> >>>> My GTB has yet to leak. >>>> >>>> *********removing tongue gently from cheek he continues*************** >>>> >>>> That NZ fellow asking recommendations about which model should probably >>>> consider the 512bb(i). >>>> Now there's a performance car with the 308 look. >>>> My virgin Ferrari lust was Testrossa but after learning more about them >>>> the >>>> 512 became my real heart's desire. >>>> Would still trade my 308 for one today fully knowing the maintenance >>>> bills >>>> would probably double (?triple?) >>>> Raw performance. Clyde, do you still have one? They're truely a rare >>>> model that I've not seen on the road. >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/coyote%40acme-ltd.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/charles%40carolina-soun d.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net >>> >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: >>> 2/1/2007 >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:10:59 -0600 From: "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <20070203001131.04F77144876F [at] hermes.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Charles, This might be what you are talking about. A previous car of mine had a limited slip rear end and I mean it was very limited slip. If the friction modifiers weren't totally OEM, the rear end would growl and the car would shutter when turning sharp at slow speeds on sticky roads. On not so sticky roads one of the rear tires would chirp when going slow around a tight bend (like in a parking lot). When the friction modifiers were correct (or at least more correct) it would very seldom make any noise at all, but would still leave two solid black marks on the street. I assume you can get the friction modifiers wrong the other way and only leave one black stripe on the road. This car also came with a small donut spare tire that in huge yellow letters said it could not be used on the rear end. So, if you got a flat on a rear tire, you first had to put the spare on a good front tire and then put that front tire on the rear where the flat is. Dave -----Original Message----- From: LarryT [mailto:l02turner [at] comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:58 PM To: Dave Craig Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants Hi Charles, Hmm...not sure I really helped. IAC, I'm totally unfamiliar with differential chatter - but I guess a limited slip differential must slip before becoming locked up - perhaps that's where the slip and chatter comes from? If that's the case, I still don't have a clue what it might sound like. ;-) But I'll keep an eye on the list and see if I can learn something. BTW, Thanks for the feedback - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > Thanks, Larry. That is a good description of clutch chatter, which I think > I can recognize. > > But I think the one people are referring to here is differential chatter. > The TR, like several other Ferraris, I believe, shares oil between its > transmission and its differential. So if you put a non-slip oil in the > gearbox, I think the differential sometimes can't get enough friction to > do its job properly, so it slips, as you described, also chattering in > some form. The solution, if that happens, seems to be to add a little > non-slip additive at a time until the problem balances/goes away. > > But I don't know how to detect differntial chatter, or how to discern it > from clutch chatter if the car happens to have multiple problems. > > Thanks! > > -- charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants > > >> Hey Charles, >> Let me take a crack at it. I assume you're asking about "clutch >> chatter"? It's the only chatter I've heard which refers to a >> transmission. >> >> Assuming that's correct - a clutch chatters when the clutch disc >> doesn't grab the flywheel completely but instead, skips across the >> surface grabbing, then releasing rapidly over and over. It producing a >> bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump kind of sound & feeling - which >> happens *very* rapidly. Also, it happens as the clutch is released - >> meaning the clutch is lifted from the floor allowing it to engage. In >> my experience, the chatter (or judder as it is sometimes called) stops >> when the pedal is fully out. >> >> Does that help? I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up >> with a better way to describe it. >> >> How about this - picture a gear turning rapidly and sometime is trying to >> mesh with the gear but instead of meshing it bounces off the gear >> preventing it meshing?? >> >> How about that? >> >> Sometime a chatter/judder is caused by contamination on the clutch disc >> or possibly the flywheel is warped although a warped flywheel often >> causes more drastic symptoms. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> >> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> >> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:33 PM >> Subject: [Ferrari] Gearbox lubricants >> >> >>> I'm sure this is hard to describe without actually experiencing it, but >>> can >>> someone describe in detail what exactly the chatter is and/or what it >>> feels >>> like in practice? >>> >>> I'm having some continuing gearbox issues with my TR and after having >>> had >>> two good mechanics check it with minimal improvement, my next thought >>> was to >>> buy several different recommended oils and test each of them to see if >>> any >>> of them help, but aside from the smoothness in shifting I'm not sure >>> what >>> else to watch for to judge their performance. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- charles >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> >>> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> >>> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >>> >>> >>>> >>>> <For those unfamiliar with Redline products >>>> http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?productID=38&subCatego >>>> ryID=15&categoryID=6 >>>> >>>> The recommended gear oil for Ferrari (by Redline and most Ferrari >>>> techs) >>>> is >>>> the 75w-90 NS. For particularly troublesome shifting Ferraris, use >>>> MTL.> >>>> >>>> I'll second the 75w90NS in transaxle cars. >>>> >>>> If you experience chattering of the LSD with the NS, you can add a very >>>> small amount of their friction modifier, something like 1-2 ounces >>>> should >>>> be >>>> enough, but I'd have to check my notes to be sure. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure about the MTL (or its heavier cousin MT90) as these are >>>> non-hypoid oils. I've never been able to get a definitive answer as to >>>> whether or not the Ferrari transaxle requires a hypoid oil or not, but >>>> was >>>> under the impression that they did. >>>> >>>> Anyone know for sure? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:52 AM >>>> To: dave [at] davehanda.com >>>> Cc: The FerrariList >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Early 308s and then some >>>> >>>>>...Mine was extremely reliable and never had the 2nd gear issue. I >>>>>could >>>> shift into second normally even in winter with Redline synthetic. >>>> >>>> Samo samo here - Redline puts the cold 2nd shift to bed forever. >>>> >>>>>> Extingusher on board >>>> >>>> That's to impress the chicks. HOT car. >>>> >>>>>> Oh yea they leak >>>> >>>> My GTB has yet to leak. >>>> >>>> *********removing tongue gently from cheek he continues*************** >>>> >>>> That NZ fellow asking recommendations about which model should probably >>>> consider the 512bb(i). >>>> Now there's a performance car with the 308 look. >>>> My virgin Ferrari lust was Testrossa but after learning more about them >>>> the >>>> 512 became my real heart's desire. >>>> Would still trade my 308 for one today fully knowing the maintenance >>>> bills >>>> would probably double (?triple?) >>>> Raw performance. Clyde, do you still have one? They're truely a rare >>>> model that I've not seen on the road. >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave%40davehanda.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/coyote%40acme-ltd.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/charles%40carolina-soun d.com >>>> >>>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net >>> >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: >>> 2/1/2007 >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dave.craig%40sbcglobal. net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:22:20 -0600 From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? To: <red5hilser [at] aol.com> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Message-ID: <003001c74731$c08a30c0$6401a8c0 [at] tu.ok.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Too much money for too retro (little) performance. Saw one, corresponded with them for a few emails until I suggested some "improvements"-caused a disconnect. :) Best, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: red5hilser [at] aol.com To: kjtar [at] cox.net Cc: Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com ; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com ; F2KRACER [at] aol.com ; MaxEd49 [at] aol.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? Hey Tom: What is your opinion of the 'Beck Spyder?' I almost bought a Silver one with red leather seats, disc brakes, and Porsche 1600 Super engine instead of the 'Shitbox.' And no, it didn't have 'Little Bastard' painted on the nose. Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original Message----- From: kjtar [at] cox.net To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 6:58 AM Subject: [Ferrari] NFC: Where to find/proper terminology? First of all, I'm not sure of the proper terminology here, but what I'm looking for is a site or sites for the following type of car; one that has an "old style" body (or at least resembles an older/previous auto) but has "modern upgrades" in the areas of suspension, engine, etc. Not really a kit car, although I'm not averse philosophically to them as long as they don't blatantly pretend to be something else, but an old car updated to handle well by today's standards and to get good fuel economy and power with modern engine management systems. ?? 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