Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List

[Dave Handa (dave]

Lewis Machine and Tool makes and sells them to attach to your AR-15!  About
$1700 and fully transferable if allowed in your state (most states it is
okay)

http://www.lewismachine.net/store.php?cid=10&session=6a3acac3a1a40de4bb696ef
7f7ec6d80

It is an NFA title 2 weapon.  So lot's of paperwork and time to get
processed, but it can be done.  A buddy of mine got one.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Stark [mailto:MStark [at] Copper.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:33 PM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge
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A little difficult to conceal though.

clyde romero wrote:

>I carry an M203 my self it leaves nothing to the imagination !
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>From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:16 PM
>To: clyde
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>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge
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>OK, call me a sentimental old fool, but I've always carried my trusty old
>WW2 'Political Leader' Walther PPK with the brown National Emblem composite
>plastic grips in .32 cal. In the 40 odd years that I've had it, I've only
>had to draw it once?(Thank God!) back in the late 1970's. No shots fired,
>and that's the way I like it. But remember the old saying, "Better to be
>judged by 12 ...?than carried by 6."
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>Yer pal, ferrari Bubba
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Martin Stark MStark [at] Copper.net
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge
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>Okay, since this thread has morphed to carry guns.  My two favs are:
>Keltec P11 - crappy plastic with a lousy trigger, but it's pocketable 
>and it packs 11 rnds of 9mm.
>HK P7M8 - high quality tack driver that carries safely in condition one 
>and goes from de-cocked to SA and back with a squeeze or release of its 
>grip mounted cocking lever
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>Dave Handa wrote:
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>>Quote "I still carry either my Detonics  
>>9mm or my SigSauer M239 in .40S&W on my person and having carried a
pistol,
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>>more specifically a variant of the Sig for about the last 10 years before

>>retiring, and ever since that will be unlikely to change for personal
>>preference  
>>reasons. I am, experimenting with a Taurus "Judge" model revolver with a  
>>cylinder that is chambered for both the .45 Colt and the .410 2.5in.
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>shotgun
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>>cartridges. This is my first Taurus firearm that I have ever owned given
>>their  
>>reputation in the past of lesser quality firearms but my examination of
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>this
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>>firearm (which is backed by a lifetime warranty) has caused me to conclude
>>that  
>>it appears to be a fine quality firearm, every bit equal to current S&W or
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>>Colt production. The idea of carrying a revolver (or placing it at one's  
>>bedside) that chambers a #3 buckshot shotgun cartridge in sequences (the
>>ideal  one 
>>is still in the testing stage) with the .45 Long Colt makes it a fine
short
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>>range, self-defense encounter profile firearm. I should also note that a 
>>number  of the "gurus" of the firearms magazine ilk concur with this
>>conclusion.
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>>Dr. Steve"
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>>Keep carrying the Detonics or Sig. Doctor, I'm not sure how you are
>>prioritizing the attributes of your carry handgun, but consider these:
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>>1)  weight  the Judge is probably twice the weight of your current carry
>>guns.
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>>2)  Size, ditto...probably twice as thick, which makes it more difficult
to
>>conceal
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>>3)  Accuracy...every article I have seen has shown rather mediocre
accuracy
>>with the Judge, a problem since it must be able to chamber both 410
shotgun
>>shells and 45 lc requires a compromise in chamber dimensions.  It probably
>>has plenty of practical accuracy out to 25 yards with 45LC.  But your
>>Detonics or Sig will shoot to 100 yards on man size targets no problem.  
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>>Also, what about this shotgun shell thing?  What if you need to shoot at
>>longer distances?  The spread with buckshot will be terrible beyond 15
feet
>>or so....what about bystanders?  And how do you load it up?  All buckshot,
>>or all 45?  Or alternate?  What if you need a long shot, but the next
round
>>it buckshot?
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>>You seem focused on a "short distance" fight, it would be great if we
could
>>choose the fight we are going to be in, but I think one needs to allow for
>>more variables.
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>>4) Reloading.  Granted, fights are rarely won based on a fast reload, but
I
>>would prefer a semi-auto that can be quickly reloaded.  I don't believe
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>that
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>>there are speed loaders for the Judge, which would mean carrying loose
>>rounds in your pocket, or using dump pouches.  Loose rounds is VERY slow
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>way
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>>to reload a revolver.  Anyone can train up in short order to perform a
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>speed
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>>load in 3 seconds pretty easily.
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>>5)  Capacity.  Only 5 rounds with the Judge.  What if you have multiple
>>attackers? Fights are rarely one on one, as most attackers want the
>>superiority of force, so there will likely be more than one.  Your
Detonics
>>and Sig have the advantage of greater capacity and faster reloading.
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>>6)  Caliber/Power.  That can be debated forever.  But hundreds of
thousands
>>of people have been shot and killed with 9mm fmj (ball) ammo, and I doubt
>>any of them complained.  BTW, the quickest way to "make a bigger hole" in
>>your adversary, is to make another one.  In other words, shoot some more.
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>>The bottom line on the Judge is it is the "wiz bang" new "gun of the
>>moment".  It really does nothing new, and solves no real problem.  The
>>reason it is getting a lot of press from the "gun gurus" is gun writers
are
>>underpaid and love the free trips to Brazil, free guns, free ammo and
other
>>stuff provided by the manufacturer Taurus, for a favorable article.  How
do
>>I know this?  Because I know a gun writer who wrote something less than
>>stellar about a major handgun manufacturer, and they literally had him
>>shutdown in the industry.  No more loaners were sent out by them, or
others
>>as word got out. Free ammo dried up as well.
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