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From: red5hilser (red5hilser![]() |
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) |
Hey Scottie: A Yugo at full speed? How 'scary' can 40mph be? Bubba -----Original Message----- From: Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List This thread is taking scarier turns than a Yugo at full speed around Leguna Seca.? ? Scottie? ? On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:22 AM, red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:? ? > Hey cLyDe: Thanks for the good wishes. Although we've only met once, > at > that Lister party at the winery before the 2001 USGP, if we > happen to meet > again in the future, promise me that there will be no > more tongues this > time?when we shake hands and embrace, please. I > mean you're a really nice > guy, but ...? >? > Forza, yer puzzled pal, Ferrari Bubba? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: clyde romero <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>? > To: red5hilser [at] aol.com? > Subject: RE: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge > > oftheFerrari List? >? >? >? > You are a piece of work dude? > Have a happy holiday season? >? >? > Clyde? >? >? >? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com]? > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:43 AM? > To: clyde? > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com? > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge? > oftheFerrari List? >? > I bought my MP-40 as a parts gun at a gunshow in L.A. back in the > early? > 1980's. Complete, still packed in cosmoline, except the reciever was > cut in? > half for $400. They had a case of them. I found a class 2 > manufacturer in? > Phoenix (I was living in Tucson at the time) and he made me a > duplicate,? > working reciever for another $400. I went down to the local Tucson > PD and? > was fingerprinted, photographed, and had a background check (another > $40),? > sent that, plus?my paperwork in to the BATF ($200) and recieved my > transfer? > documents about 3 months later. Showed the papers to the dealer, > picked up? > MY weapon and went through 300 9mm rounds before I got back home. I > don't? > know if the laws have changed, but it was easy back then. How sweet > it is!? >? > Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Dave Handa dave [at] davehanda.com? > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge? > oftheFerrari List? >? >? >? > Lewis Machine and Tool makes and sells them to attach to your > AR-15! About? > $1700 and fully transferable if allowed in your state (most states > it is? > okay)? >? > http://www.lewismachine.net/store.php?cid=10&session=6a3acac3a1a40de4bb696ef? > 7f7ec6d80? >? > It is an NFA title 2 weapon. So lot's of paperwork and time to get? > processed, but it can be done. A buddy of mine got one.? >? > Dave? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Martin Stark [mailto:MStark [at] Copper.net]? > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:33 PM? > To: dave [at] davehanda.com? > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com? > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge? > oftheFerrari List? >? > A little difficult to conceal though.? >? > clyde romero wrote:? >? >> I carry an M203 my self it leaves nothing to the imagination !? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> Clyde? >>? >> Mobile 678 641 9932? >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail (including attachments) is >> covered by? >> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. 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The sender does not accept >> >> liability? >> for any errors or omissions in the contents of the message that >> arise as >> a? >> result of its electronic (e-mail) transmission.? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com]? >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:16 PM? >> To: clyde? >> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com? >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge? >> oftheFerrari List? >>? >> OK, call me a sentimental old fool, but I've always carried my >> trusty old? >> WW2 'Political Leader' Walther PPK with the brown National Emblem >> >> composite? >> plastic grips in .32 cal. In the 40 odd years that I've had it, >> I've only? >> had to draw it once?(Thank God!) back in the late 1970's. No shots >> fired,? >> and that's the way I like it. But remember the old saying, "Better >> to be? >> judged by 12 ...?than carried by 6."? >>? >> Yer pal, ferrari Bubba? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: Martin Stark MStark [at] Copper.net? >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge? >> oftheFerrari List? >>? >>? >>? >> Okay, since this thread has morphed to carry guns. My two favs are:? >> Keltec P11 - crappy plastic with a lousy trigger, but it's pocketable? >> and it packs 11 rnds of 9mm.? >> HK P7M8 - high quality tack driver that carries safely in condition >> one? >> and goes from de-cocked to SA and back with a squeeze or release of >> its? >> grip mounted cocking lever? >>? >> Dave Handa wrote:? >>? >>? >>? >>> Quote "I still carry either my Detonics? >>> 9mm or my SigSauer M239 in .40S&W on my person and having carried a? > pistol,? >>>? >>> more specifically a variant of the Sig for about the last 10 years >>> >>> before? >? >>> retiring, and ever since that will be unlikely to change for >>> personal? >>> preference? >>> reasons. I am, experimenting with a Taurus "Judge" model revolver >>> with >>> a? >>> cylinder that is chambered for both the .45 Colt and the .410 2.5in.? >>>? >>>? >> shotgun? >>? >>? >>> cartridges. This is my first Taurus firearm that I have ever owned >>> >>> given? >>> their? >>> reputation in the past of lesser quality firearms but my >>> examination of? >>>? >>>? >> this? >>? >>? >>> firearm (which is backed by a lifetime warranty) has caused me to >>> >>> conclude? >>> that? >>> it appears to be a fine quality firearm, every bit equal to >>> current S&W >>> or? >>>? >>>? >>? >>? >>? >>> Colt production. The idea of carrying a revolver (or placing it at >>> >>> one's? >>> bedside) that chambers a #3 buckshot shotgun cartridge in >>> sequences >>> (the? >>> ideal one? >>> is still in the testing stage) with the .45 Long Colt makes it a >>> fine? > short? >>>? >>> range, self-defense encounter profile firearm. I should also note >>> that >>> a? >>> number of the "gurus" of the firearms magazine ilk concur with this? >>> conclusion.? >>>? >>> Dr. Steve"? >>>? >>>? >>> Keep carrying the Detonics or Sig. Doctor, I'm not sure how you are? >>> prioritizing the attributes of your carry handgun, but consider >>> these:? >>>? >>> 1) weight the Judge is probably twice the weight of your current >>> carry? >>> guns.? >>>? >>> 2) Size, ditto...probably twice as thick, which makes it more >>> difficult? > to? >>> conceal? >>>? >>> 3) Accuracy...every article I have seen has shown rather mediocre? > accuracy? >>> with the Judge, a problem since it must be able to chamber both 410? > shotgun? >>> shells and 45 lc requires a compromise in chamber dimensions. It >>> >>> probably? >>> has plenty of practical accuracy out to 25 yards with 45LC. But >>> your? >>> Detonics or Sig will shoot to 100 yards on man size targets no >>> problem.? >>>? >>> Also, what about this shotgun shell thing? What if you need to >>> shoot at? >>> longer distances? The spread with buckshot will be terrible >>> beyond 15? > feet? >>> or so....what about bystanders? And how do you load it up? All >>> >>> buckshot,? >>> or all 45? Or alternate? What if you need a long shot, but the >>> next? > round? >>> it buckshot?? >>>? >>> You seem focused on a "short distance" fight, it would be great if >>> we? > could? >>> choose the fight we are going to be in, but I think one needs to >>> allow >>> for? >>> more variables.? >>>? >>> 4) Reloading. Granted, fights are rarely won based on a fast >>> reload, >>> but? > I? >>> would prefer a semi-auto that can be quickly reloaded. I don't >>> believe? >>>? >>>? >> that? >>? >>? >>> there are speed loaders for the Judge, which would mean carrying >>> loose? >>> rounds in your pocket, or using dump pouches. Loose rounds is >>> VERY slow? >>>? >>>? >> way? >>? >>? >>> to reload a revolver. Anyone can train up in short order to >>> perform a? >>>? >>>? >> speed? >>? >>? >>> load in 3 seconds pretty easily.? >>>? >>> 5) Capacity. Only 5 rounds with the Judge. What if you have >>> multiple? >>> attackers? Fights are rarely one on one, as most attackers want the? >>> superiority of force, so there will likely be more than one. Your? > Detonics? >>> and Sig have the advantage of greater capacity and faster reloading.? >>>? >>> 6) Caliber/Power. That can be debated forever. But hundreds of? > thousands? >>> of people have been shot and killed with 9mm fmj (ball) ammo, and >>> I >>> doubt? >>> any of them complained. BTW, the quickest way to "make a bigger >>> hole" >>> in? >>> your adversary, is to make another one. In other words, shoot >>> some >>> more.? >>>? >>> The bottom line on the Judge is it is the "wiz bang" new "gun of the? >>> moment". It really does nothing new, and solves no real problem. >>> The? >>> reason it is getting a lot of press from the "gun gurus" is gun >>> writers? > are? >>> underpaid and love the free trips to Brazil, free guns, free ammo >>> and? > other? >>> stuff provided by the manufacturer Taurus, for a favorable >>> article. How? > do? >>> I know this? Because I know a gun writer who wrote something less >>> than? >>> stellar about a major handgun manufacturer, and they literally had >>> him? >>> shutdown in the industry. No more loaners were sent out by them, or? > others? >>> as word got out. Free ammo dried up as well.? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>> _________________________________________________________________? >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:? >>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/mstark%40copper.net? >>>? >>> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper? >>> http://www.BidNip.com/? >>> and F1 Headlines? >>> http://www.F1Headlines.com/? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >> _________________________________________________________________? >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:? >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com? >>? >> Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper? >> http://www.BidNip.com/? >> and F1 Headlines? >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/? >>? >>? >> ________________________________________________________________________? >> More new features than ever. 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- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List, (continued)
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List red5hilser, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List clyde romero, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List red5hilser, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List red5hilser, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List rich, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List red5hilser, December 7 2007
- Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List clyde romero, December 7 2007
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