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[Dick Petrick (rtpetrick]

Hola Bubba....Speaking of the "Man Who Invented the Internet", have you seen
the latest study from Russia's Oceanology Institute that says global warming
has peaked and we are now going into a global cooling cycle that will last
to the end of this century??? If this is true, it presents an ethical
problem to ponder, which is "Will Plastic Man be required to return his
Oscar, or will they reclassify his film as the best science fiction flick so
that he can keep his little statue? Similarly, will Plastic Man be required
to trade in his Nobel Peace Prize for a Pulitzer Prize in fiction? Just
spit-balling here and I could be wrong.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/26810-russian-study-global-warmi
ng-peaked-cooling-trend-coming.html

And lastly, will Time Magazine strip Putin of his "Man-of-the-Year" title
and give it to Oleg Sorokhtin?????

yer "Doubting Thomas" pal living in the tiny, very small, and insignificant
village (and it takes a village, you know) of Anybody-But-Billary,
Minnesota.

Regards
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   1. Re: New Indian Supercar (LarryT)
   2. Re: 2018 Ferrari (red5hilser [at] aol.com)
   3. Re: New Indian Supercar (Jim Conforti)
   4. Re: New Indian Supercar (rich)
   5. Re: New Indian Supercar (Rick Meisch)
   6. Re: New Indian Supercar (Dan Warlick)
   7. Uncovered!  Tata Pics... (LtWacko [at] aol.com)
   8. Re: Impressions (Tom Reynolds)
   9. Re: New Indian Supercar (Tom Reynolds)
  10. Re: 2018 Ferrari (Tom Reynolds)
  11. Re: New Indian Supercar (Tom Reynolds)
  12. Re: 2018 Ferrari (Tom Reynolds)
  13. Re: New Indian Supercar (Tom Reynolds)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:37:01 -0500
From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Personal prediction - IMHO and all that, but I'll go on record to say this 
kind of vehicle will not sell well in the US.  I'm sure they will sell some 
but I doubt it will see top 10 kind of sales numbers.   I assume at a price 
of $3k the builders plan (hope) to sell *lots* of these buggers to make a 
profit.

I know the VW Beetle was a success back in the 60s and 70s but that was a 
different age - people were willing to live/drive without AC, CC, PW, and 
other convienences - but if that econobox is going to remain econo and not 
just small it will need to keep the weight off - as someone mentioned - by 
the time EPA and DOT get thru with it there will be bars in the doors, 15mph

bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, collapsing steering wheels, etc - it will 
find itself with significantly low power or a larger engine will be offered 
here - with less lofty mpg estimates.

But maybe I;m wrong ---

I understand EU has had small vehicles for years - for tax reasons as well 
as the narrower roads over there - perhaps it will be successful.  In any 
case, it;s a step forward and new knowledge will be gained - never a bad 
thing.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


>
>
> Seeing as how the car is to be sold in Europe and the UK I think the
> emissions will be tighter than anything the states sells. After all the 
> recent  EU
> ruling on fuel economy and CO2 means cars here will have to average high
> 40mpg.... Frankly for the price I can see a lot of people that would want 
> one.  The
> average speed in London is 11mph! At that speed you aren't likely to need 
> a
> huge crumple zone and with the cost of driving a larger car in London 
> rising to
> $50.00 JUST FOR THE CONGESTION CHARGE A DAY from Feb 1 you can bet there
> will be  a lot of buyers. Wouldn't take it on the road however....
>
> BTW don't be fooled by TATA. They aren't a backward third world company 
> and
> with the low cost of production in India don't be surprised as production
> shifts  East. If they do buy Jag and L.R as predicted there will be a lot 
> of
> technology  that will be flowing to India....and a lot of Brits working 
> for
> them....Actually  I know quite a few Americans working at Jag who will be 
> working for
> them as  well.
>
> Britt
>
>
> It will  be $12k once its here what with all the EPA
> and DOT add-ons. :-P
>
> The  emissions bit is stated that, "it's emissions are
> half that of typical a  <two-cycle> motorcycle."  In
> common terms, it is probably as  dirty as 314 Hondas.
>
> rick
>
>
>
>
>
> BR in the  UK
>
> 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
> Searching for the right 512TR
> 2003  BMW 530d
> 1991 Alfa Spider S4
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:22:54 -0500
From: red5hilser [at] aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari
To: rentiers [at] mac.com
Cc: Red5hilser [at] aol.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Uncle Ken: I sit here in awe of your biting, witty comentary. You, my
friend, should be nominated for the Nobel Prize. You make much more sense
with your observations on life and the world around us than our beloved
'Inventor of the Internet' did to win his.

yer pal, Ferrari Bubba


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Subject: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari


 


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:01:34 -0700
From: Jim Conforti <lndshrk [at] xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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At 07:40 AM 1/10/2008 -0600, ken rentiers wrote:

>Now I want one! Can I get the model with the tassles?

   Remember what happened the last time you got one of those?

   ;)

   Jim



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:48:40 -0500
From: "rich" <richF355 [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Well, Yugo found a lot of suckers in 1986 to put down $ 4 K sight unseen for

their POS they shipped here in mass. It took  MotorTrend Mag to post a story

on the Yugo saying  that you better buy two, one to drive and the second 
spare for parts, before would be buyers  started to reject the carand sales 
dropped off while it became teh butt of jokes on late night TV . I expect to

see a lot of them soon  given the prices of gas. Of course any $$ in gas 
saved will no doubt be trumped by the parts costs to keep it repaired all 
the time.;-)

Rich


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
To: "Rich" <RichF355 [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


> Personal prediction - IMHO and all that, but I'll go on record to say this
> kind of vehicle will not sell well in the US.  I'm sure they will sell 
> some
> but I doubt it will see top 10 kind of sales numbers.   I assume at a 
> price
> of $3k the builders plan (hope) to sell *lots* of these buggers to make a
> profit.
>
> I know the VW Beetle was a success back in the 60s and 70s but that was a
> different age - people were willing to live/drive without AC, CC, PW, and
> other convienences - but if that econobox is going to remain econo and not
> just small it will need to keep the weight off - as someone mentioned - by
> the time EPA and DOT get thru with it there will be bars in the doors, 
> 15mph
> bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, collapsing steering wheels, etc - it 
> will
> find itself with significantly low power or a larger engine will be 
> offered
> here - with less lofty mpg estimates.
>
> But maybe I;m wrong ---
>
> I understand EU has had small vehicles for years - for tax reasons as well
> as the narrower roads over there - perhaps it will be successful.  In any
> case, it;s a step forward and new knowledge will be gained - never a bad
> thing.
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> .
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com>
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
>>
>>
>> Seeing as how the car is to be sold in Europe and the UK I think the
>> emissions will be tighter than anything the states sells. After all the
>> recent  EU
>> ruling on fuel economy and CO2 means cars here will have to average high
>> 40mpg.... Frankly for the price I can see a lot of people that would want
>> one.  The
>> average speed in London is 11mph! At that speed you aren't likely to need
>> a
>> huge crumple zone and with the cost of driving a larger car in London
>> rising to
>> $50.00 JUST FOR THE CONGESTION CHARGE A DAY from Feb 1 you can bet there
>> will be  a lot of buyers. Wouldn't take it on the road however....
>>
>> BTW don't be fooled by TATA. They aren't a backward third world company
>> and
>> with the low cost of production in India don't be surprised as production
>> shifts  East. If they do buy Jag and L.R as predicted there will be a lot
>> of
>> technology  that will be flowing to India....and a lot of Brits working
>> for
>> them....Actually  I know quite a few Americans working at Jag who will be
>> working for
>> them as  well.
>>
>> Britt
>>
>>
>> It will  be $12k once its here what with all the EPA
>> and DOT add-ons. :-P
>>
>> The  emissions bit is stated that, "it's emissions are
>> half that of typical a  <two-cycle> motorcycle."  In
>> common terms, it is probably as  dirty as 314 Hondas.
>>
>> rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BR in the  UK
>>
>> 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
>> Searching for the right 512TR
>> 2003  BMW 530d
>> 1991 Alfa Spider S4
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:00:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick Meisch <meisch [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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For support all you have to do in call their call center in India...

For those in with an IT background, you will see the humor in this...or
cringe.

Cheers,
Rick

rich <richF355 [at] comcast.net> wrote: Well, Yugo found a lot of suckers in 
1986
to put down $ 4 K sight unseen for 
their POS they shipped here in mass. It took  MotorTrend Mag to post a story

on the Yugo saying  that you better buy two, one to drive and the second 
spare for parts, before would be buyers  started to reject the carand sales 
dropped off while it became teh butt of jokes on late night TV . I expect to

see a lot of them soon  given the prices of gas. Of course any $$ in gas 
saved will no doubt be trumped by the parts costs to keep it repaired all 
the time.;-)

Rich


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LarryT" 
To: "Rich" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


> Personal prediction - IMHO and all that, but I'll go on record to say this
> kind of vehicle will not sell well in the US.  I'm sure they will sell 
> some
> but I doubt it will see top 10 kind of sales numbers.   I assume at a 
> price
> of $3k the builders plan (hope) to sell *lots* of these buggers to make a
> profit.
>
> I know the VW Beetle was a success back in the 60s and 70s but that was a
> different age - people were willing to live/drive without AC, CC, PW, and
> other convienences - but if that econobox is going to remain econo and not
> just small it will need to keep the weight off - as someone mentioned - by
> the time EPA and DOT get thru with it there will be bars in the doors, 
> 15mph
> bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, collapsing steering wheels, etc - it 
> will
> find itself with significantly low power or a larger engine will be 
> offered
> here - with less lofty mpg estimates.
>
> But maybe I;m wrong ---
>
> I understand EU has had small vehicles for years - for tax reasons as well
> as the narrower roads over there - perhaps it will be successful.  In any
> case, it;s a step forward and new knowledge will be gained - never a bad
> thing.
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> .
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 

> To: "Larry Turner" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
>>
>>
>> Seeing as how the car is to be sold in Europe and the UK I think the
>> emissions will be tighter than anything the states sells. After all the
>> recent  EU
>> ruling on fuel economy and CO2 means cars here will have to average high
>> 40mpg.... Frankly for the price I can see a lot of people that would want
>> one.  The
>> average speed in London is 11mph! At that speed you aren't likely to need
>> a
>> huge crumple zone and with the cost of driving a larger car in London
>> rising to
>> $50.00 JUST FOR THE CONGESTION CHARGE A DAY from Feb 1 you can bet there
>> will be  a lot of buyers. Wouldn't take it on the road however....
>>
>> BTW don't be fooled by TATA. They aren't a backward third world company
>> and
>> with the low cost of production in India don't be surprised as production
>> shifts  East. If they do buy Jag and L.R as predicted there will be a lot
>> of
>> technology  that will be flowing to India....and a lot of Brits working
>> for
>> them....Actually  I know quite a few Americans working at Jag who will be
>> working for
>> them as  well.
>>
>> Britt
>>
>>
>> It will  be $12k once its here what with all the EPA
>> and DOT add-ons. :-P
>>
>> The  emissions bit is stated that, "it's emissions are
>> half that of typical a   motorcycle."  In
>> common terms, it is probably as  dirty as 314 Hondas.
>>
>> rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BR in the  UK
>>
>> 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
>> Searching for the right 512TR
>> 2003  BMW 530d
>> 1991 Alfa Spider S4
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:07:40 -0500
From: "Dan Warlick" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: "Rick Meisch" <meisch [at] sbcglobal.net>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Message-ID: <40FD2873F8B447CFA9C8EB3E0222859A [at] EDWF430>
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It would seem that the general consensus is that these things will be 
something akin to fecal matter. I do think it is important to remember that 
with all of the technology going into vehicle development these days that it

is truly hard to actually get away with the mass marketing of such, shall we

say, KaKa. Remember when Hyundai came across the pond? Need I mention that 
the nearest pedigree in line with this purported piece of crap would have to

be in my opinion Kia. Even they are 10yr/100k mile warranty for next to 
nothing. But then again, a duck is a duck. Just my very tired and delusional

two cents.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Meisch" <meisch [at] sbcglobal.net>
To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


> For support all you have to do in call their call center in India...
>
> For those in with an IT background, you will see the humor in this...or 
> cringe.
>
> Cheers,
> Rick
>
> rich <richF355 [at] comcast.net> wrote: Well, Yugo found a lot of suckers in 
> 1986 to put down $ 4 K sight unseen for
> their POS they shipped here in mass. It took  MotorTrend Mag to post a 
> story
> on the Yugo saying  that you better buy two, one to drive and the second
> spare for parts, before would be buyers  started to reject the carand 
> sales
> dropped off while it became teh butt of jokes on late night TV . I expect 
> to
> see a lot of them soon  given the prices of gas. Of course any $$ in gas
> saved will no doubt be trumped by the parts costs to keep it repaired all
> the time.;-)
>
> Rich
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "LarryT"
> To: "Rich"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
>> Personal prediction - IMHO and all that, but I'll go on record to say 
>> this
>> kind of vehicle will not sell well in the US.  I'm sure they will sell
>> some
>> but I doubt it will see top 10 kind of sales numbers.   I assume at a
>> price
>> of $3k the builders plan (hope) to sell *lots* of these buggers to make a
>> profit.
>>
>> I know the VW Beetle was a success back in the 60s and 70s but that was a
>> different age - people were willing to live/drive without AC, CC, PW, and
>> other convienences - but if that econobox is going to remain econo and 
>> not
>> just small it will need to keep the weight off - as someone mentioned - 
>> by
>> the time EPA and DOT get thru with it there will be bars in the doors,
>> 15mph
>> bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, collapsing steering wheels, etc - it
>> will
>> find itself with significantly low power or a larger engine will be
>> offered
>> here - with less lofty mpg estimates.
>>
>> But maybe I;m wrong ---
>>
>> I understand EU has had small vehicles for years - for tax reasons as 
>> well
>> as the narrower roads over there - perhaps it will be successful.  In any
>> case, it;s a step forward and new knowledge will be gained - never a bad
>> thing.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> .
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From:
>
>> To: "Larry Turner"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seeing as how the car is to be sold in Europe and the UK I think the
>>> emissions will be tighter than anything the states sells. After all the
>>> recent  EU
>>> ruling on fuel economy and CO2 means cars here will have to average high
>>> 40mpg.... Frankly for the price I can see a lot of people that would 
>>> want
>>> one.  The
>>> average speed in London is 11mph! At that speed you aren't likely to 
>>> need
>>> a
>>> huge crumple zone and with the cost of driving a larger car in London
>>> rising to
>>> $50.00 JUST FOR THE CONGESTION CHARGE A DAY from Feb 1 you can bet there
>>> will be  a lot of buyers. Wouldn't take it on the road however....
>>>
>>> BTW don't be fooled by TATA. They aren't a backward third world company
>>> and
>>> with the low cost of production in India don't be surprised as 
>>> production
>>> shifts  East. If they do buy Jag and L.R as predicted there will be a 
>>> lot
>>> of
>>> technology  that will be flowing to India....and a lot of Brits working
>>> for
>>> them....Actually  I know quite a few Americans working at Jag who will 
>>> be
>>> working for
>>> them as  well.
>>>
>>> Britt
>>>
>>>
>>> It will  be $12k once its here what with all the EPA
>>> and DOT add-ons. :-P
>>>
>>> The  emissions bit is stated that, "it's emissions are
>>> half that of typical a   motorcycle."  In
>>> common terms, it is probably as  dirty as 314 Hondas.
>>>
>>> rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BR in the  UK
>>>
>>> 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
>>> Searching for the right 512TR
>>> 2003  BMW 530d
>>> 1991 Alfa Spider S4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:02:41 EST
From: LtWacko [at] aol.com
Subject: [Ferrari] Uncovered!  Tata Pics...
To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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_http://www.autoblog.com/photos/tata-nano/_ 
(http://www.autoblog.com/photos/tata-nano/) 



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:14:48 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Impressions
To: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c853e6$fa7defc0$6401a8c0 [at] ok.cox.net>
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Well, that pretty much does it for me.
(Where's that whip when you really need it?)
TominTulsa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Impressions


> I must admit I own more Ferrari stuff than the law allows
> The new stuff is cheap
> The older stuff is embroadiered (sic)
>
> Clyde with the matching Ferrari Bra and Panty set!
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:06:37
> To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Impressions
>
>
> I must admit, I have about 7 Ferrari shirts, a fleece
> pull-over and a Rici jacket.
>
> Three of the shirts are FCOA shirts with the prancer
> in black and "ferrari club of america" in small black
> font.  These are subtly adorned, except for the yellow
> with black embroidery.  I sometimes wear them to work
> as they are replacements for other worn out generic
> Polo shirts.  My only complaint, as the quality of the
> shirts is superb, is that "America" is not
> capitalized.
>
> One shirt is deep red with a tiny 'Polo size' prancer
> in black and nothing else.  I wear this shirt to work.
>  In fact, I've about worn it out.
>
> I have two other Scuderia shirts, one red, one black,
> but they are for every-day wear as they are too worn
> out for work.
>
> The last shirt is a gray dress shirt with "Ferrari of
> Houston Race Team" logos.  I wear it to GP's outside
> of the US - sometimes.
>
> The fleece I bought on a business trip to Denver when
> I forgot to pack a jacket.  I haven't worn it in 3
> years.  Too hot.  I don't even wear long sleeves
> unless I have to wear a tie.
>
> Same with the Rici coat.  Totally useless
> closet-filler here in Houston.
>
> The only Ferrari t-shirts I have are the old List
> event shirts from the Hallett days.
>
> In fact, I usually select shirts based upon color
> alone.  Then again, I dress like a third-grader. :-P
>
> rick
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:16:44 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Maybe 2 sweet glands?
TominTulsa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


> Wait until the womens movement gets a hold of that name
>
> It will be renamed to
>
> 2 sweat glands
>
> Being very PC of course
>
> Clyde
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:48:49
> To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
> Tata?  I remember when TA TA's  were big boobs.  Coincidence?  I think
not.
> Heh heh
> DOUG
> Wonder if the radio will be any safer in the Federalized TATA than it was
in
> the Yugo?  You don't break the window - you tear off the door.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:01 AM
> Subject: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
> >
> > Hey Tom: If you liked that little 'green' car that you were so hot to
test
> > a while ago, then you'll love the new TATA, the new 50 mpg 'supercar'
from
> > India that was introduced in Bombay last week. At less than $3,000?USD
out
> > the door, the 'inventor of the internet' and Nobel Prize winner Al Gore
> > must be having wet dreams about it. I can hardly wait until it gets
> > Federalized so I can make my very good friend cLyDe(TM) proud of me?when
I
> > put the old Shitbox(TM) up on cinder blocks in the front yard along with
> > the others and tool around town in my new 'chick magnet.' Life is good!
> >
> > Yer pal, (soon to be) TATA Bubba
> >
> >
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:26:07 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari
To: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Hey, why not?  At least it's red.  At least you'll have your Bimmer, Ken.
TominTulsa
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To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:29:17 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Of course not.  But wait when gas gets to $5./gallon and everyone starts to
REALLY complain about the lousy fuel mileage and the lack of suitable cars
at affordable prices.  I still have to reply to Willi's first post, but
we've got to get real sometime.  Would you rather have the government TELL
you what to drive, or have private enterprise compete to provide viable
alternatives?
TominTulsa
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From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar


> Personal prediction - IMHO and all that, but I'll go on record to say this
> kind of vehicle will not sell well in the US.  I'm sure they will sell
some
> but I doubt it will see top 10 kind of sales numbers.   I assume at a
price
> of $3k the builders plan (hope) to sell *lots* of these buggers to make a
> profit.
>
> I know the VW Beetle was a success back in the 60s and 70s but that was a
> different age - people were willing to live/drive without AC, CC, PW, and
> other convienences - but if that econobox is going to remain econo and not
> just small it will need to keep the weight off - as someone mentioned - by
> the time EPA and DOT get thru with it there will be bars in the doors,
15mph
> bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, collapsing steering wheels, etc - it
will
> find itself with significantly low power or a larger engine will be
offered
> here - with less lofty mpg estimates.
>
> But maybe I;m wrong ---
>
> I understand EU has had small vehicles for years - for tax reasons as well
> as the narrower roads over there - perhaps it will be successful.  In any
> case, it;s a step forward and new knowledge will be gained - never a bad
> thing.
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> .
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com>
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
>
>
> >
> >
> > Seeing as how the car is to be sold in Europe and the UK I think the
> > emissions will be tighter than anything the states sells. After all the
> > recent  EU
> > ruling on fuel economy and CO2 means cars here will have to average high
> > 40mpg.... Frankly for the price I can see a lot of people that would
want
> > one.  The
> > average speed in London is 11mph! At that speed you aren't likely to
need
> > a
> > huge crumple zone and with the cost of driving a larger car in London
> > rising to
> > $50.00 JUST FOR THE CONGESTION CHARGE A DAY from Feb 1 you can bet there
> > will be  a lot of buyers. Wouldn't take it on the road however....
> >
> > BTW don't be fooled by TATA. They aren't a backward third world company
> > and
> > with the low cost of production in India don't be surprised as
production
> > shifts  East. If they do buy Jag and L.R as predicted there will be a
lot
> > of
> > technology  that will be flowing to India....and a lot of Brits working
> > for
> > them....Actually  I know quite a few Americans working at Jag who will
be
> > working for
> > them as  well.
> >
> > Britt
> >
> >
> > It will  be $12k once its here what with all the EPA
> > and DOT add-ons. :-P
> >
> > The  emissions bit is stated that, "it's emissions are
> > half that of typical a  <two-cycle> motorcycle."  In
> > common terms, it is probably as  dirty as 314 Hondas.
> >
> > rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BR in the  UK
> >
> > 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
> > Searching for the right 512TR
> > 2003  BMW 530d
> > 1991 Alfa Spider S4
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:31:02 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari
To: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Message-ID: <00c401c853e9$3f4c27a0$6401a8c0 [at] ok.cox.net>
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Yeah, but without the internet, we wouldn't all be ENJOYING this biting,
witty commentary.
:)
TominTulsa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>; <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari


> Uncle Ken: I sit here in awe of your biting, witty comentary. You, my
friend, should be nominated for the Nobel Prize. You make much more sense
with your observations on life and the world around us than our beloved
'Inventor of the Internet' did to win his.
>
> yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Rentiers
> Subject: [Ferrari] 2018 Ferrari
>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:05 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar
To: <Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com>, <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Willi me boy,
Here's the press release from Tata
(http://www.tatapeoplescar.com/tatamotors/index.php?option=com_content&task=
view&id=93&Itemid=139)
"A comfortable, safe, all-weather car, high on fuel efficiency & low on
emissions

New Delhi, January 10, 2008: Mr. Ratan N. Tata, Chairman of the Tata Group
and Tata Motors, today unveiled the Tata 'NANO', the People's Car from Tata
Motors that India and the world have been looking forward to. A development,
which signifies a first for the global automobile industry, the People's Car
brings the comfort and safety of a car within the reach of thousands of
families. The People's Car will be launched in India later in 2008.

Speaking at the unveiling ceremony at the 9th Auto Expo in New Delhi, Mr.
Ratan N. Tata said, "I observed families riding on two-wheelers - the father
driving the scooter, his young kid standing in front of him, his wife seated
behind him holding a little baby. It led me to wonder whether one could
conceive of a safe, affordable, all-weather form of transport for such a
family. Tata Motors' engineers and designers gave their all for about four
years to realise this goal. Today, we indeed have a People's Car, which is
affordable and yet built to meet safety requirements and emission norms, to
be fuel efficient and low on emissions. We are happy to present the People's
Car to India and we hope it brings the joy, pride and utility of owning a
car to many families who need personal mobility."

Stylish, comfortable
The People's Car, designed with a family in mind, has a roomy passenger
compartment with generous leg space and head room. It can comfortably seat
four persons. Four doors with high seating position make ingress and egress
easy.

Yet with a length of 3.1 metres, width of 1.5 metres and height of 1.6
metres, with adequate ground clearance, it can effortlessly manoeuvre on
busy roads in cities as well as in rural areas. Its mono-volume design, with
wheels at the corners and the powertrain at the rear, enables it to uniquely
combine both space and manoeuvrability, which will set a new benchmark among
small cars.

When launched, the car will be available in both standard and deluxe
versions. Both versions will offer a wide range of body colours, and other
accessories so that the car can be customised to an individual's
preferences.

Fuel-efficient engine
The People's Car has a rear-wheel drive, all-aluminium, two-cylinder, 623
cc, 33 PS, multi point fuel injection petrol engine. This is the first time
that a two-cylinder gasoline engine is being used in a car with single
balancer shaft. The lean design strategy has helped minimise weight, which
helps maximise performance per unit of energy consumed and delivers high
fuel efficiency. Performance is controlled by a specially designed
electronic engine management system.

Meets all safety requirements
The People's Car's safety performance exceeds current regulatory
requirements. With an all sheet-metal body, it has a strong passenger
compartment, with safety features such as crumple zones, intrusion-resistant
doors, seat belts, strong seats and anchorages, and the rear tailgate glass
bonded to the body. Tubeless tyres further enhance safety.

Environment-friendly
The People's Car's tailpipe emission performance exceeds regulatory
requirements. In terms of overall pollutants, it has a lower pollution level
than two-wheelers being manufactured in India today. The high fuel
efficiency also ensures that the car has low carbon dioxide emissions,
thereby providing the twin benefits of an affordable transportation solution
with a low carbon footprint."

(hit "Next" to continue with various interviews, etc. where they talk about
Jaguar, Land Rover, and more real interesting information.)

I didn't really like the Smartfortwo that much.  (See
www.members.cox.net/kjtar) I don't think I'd buy one given my daily commute,
although when I retire to Bugtussle AR I might get one, 'cause I won't be
going out that much.  Come to think of it, if I'm not going to be driving
that much, I might as well get me one o' them Furrarees y'all been talkin'
about. 

If'n yur gonna put the Furraree (SHITBOX tm) on blocks, make sure there's a
cupla dogs around on some rusty chain "leashes" to gard it. And, Bombay is
now called Mumbai, I think.  Just trying to be politically correct.
Remember when Beijing was Peking?

"DUCK!"

:)

TominTulsaOK



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: red5hilser [at] aol.com 
  To: kjtar [at] cox.net ; Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com ; Red5hilser [at] 
aol.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:01 AM
  Subject: New Indian Supercar



  Hey Tom: If you liked that little 'green' car that you were so hot to test
a while ago, then you'll love the new TATA, the new 50 mpg 'supercar' from
India that was introduced in Bombay last week. At less than $3,000 USD out
the door, the 'inventor of the internet' and Nobel Prize winner Al Gore must
be having wet dreams about it. I can hardly wait until it gets Federalized
so I can make my very good friend cLyDe(TM) proud of me when I put the old
Shitbox(TM) up on cinder blocks in the front yard along with the others and
tool around town in my new 'chick magnet.' Life is good!

  Yer pal, (soon to be) TATA Bubba



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