Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari OT NFC Garage Floor Coating

Hi Steve,

   You have a *lot* on your plate!  And a lot of vehicles (of a great 
variety) to deal with.  It sounds like a good solution - using gravel as a 
basis for later work.  Especially since you have plenty of places to use a 
jack if it;s needed - which as I see it is the only severe limitation to 
gravel.  Of course it can be difficult to walk on until it settles and locks 
into place (which is why pebble stones are usually a bad choice as they 
don't lock) but in general gravel is a great choice.  And of course, there's 
lots of different sizes of gravel to make life easier.
   As far as sealing the slab - there are so many choices.  None are 
cheap - some are more durable than others and some have a more forgiving 
nature than others.  The choices I am considering are - Epoxy Coating 
System, Garage Floor Paint, vinyl tile in 12" sq pcs, vinyl "rugs" that roll 
out as 1 piece -usually 10' or 20' wide, rubber interlocking squares and 
leaving the concrete plain with a simple concrete sealer.  There are 
probably more choices I haven;t included.
   The cost are all over the place also. Once I got firm prices for the 
epoxy paints I was pleased to learn I could do that for around $500.  I had 
priced the rubber interlocking squares and the vinyl tiles and sheets - all 
are expensive with the rubber interlocking the most expensive.  That helped 
me decide - the rubber squares were the most expensive and while owners say 
it's not a problem to clean under them it still means the squares must be 
moved so debris can be cleaned from under the squares.  The vinyl squares 
and sheets might work and are not overly expensive but if a floor jack or 
jack stands are used they might leave punctures and marks in the vinyl.  Or 
permanently damage them.
   Garage floor paint will not stand up to hot tires or even turning tires 
(although my test area the surface may not have been properly prepared. 
Which brings me back to epoxy (or some variation) or seal the concrete with 
a clear sealer --
   I have a month of more to decide while the slab cures.  I just have to 
make sure nothing gets on the bare concrete. ;-\

I do plan to paint some markings on the floor - not sure what exactly but 
something - maybe lane markers or safety markings - like the fire 
extinguisher location -
   Also, one F List member had a Ferrari Shield created for his floor - 
made of ceramic tile IIRC - came out beautiful but not in my price range.
   Anyway - that was my thought process.  I'll share what I end up doing 
with the list -- 
Take care --
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>

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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari OT NFC Garage Floor Coating
Larry:
Having just completed a new "car house" for the rest of the fleet (at 
least

those that don't fit in the 4 car attached garage and the 2 car one that I

build  for the "collectible" Rolls Royce cars, I faced the same dilemma . 
It is

expensive to pour a large slab concrete floor, and sometimes requires a 
lot

more  engineering and other issues such as increased footers and slab 
thickness

to get  the job done. In my case it is 3600 sq.ft. including space for the

4-post lift  just made it cost prohibitive to complete the task 
concurrently with

the  building itself.
My solution was to go with gravel, carefully graded and drained for the

driveway, and for the basic flooring in the garage. Then a 12'x25'x0.5'

reinforced concrete pad with footer underlayment of the perimeter and a 
longitudinal

centroid. A little overkill on strength perhaps, but it will need  to hold

everything from the 348 to the hearse and the F-350 Crew-Cab 4x4 and the 
9k#

capability of the lift will require some safety margin as well. Also, in 
my  case

it will house a number of higher clearance vehicles such as the MB 
G-wagen,

the Bronco, an RV, etc., but on occasion the 20T winch truck and the fire

apparatus as well. I have a side door that opens directly "behind" the 
lift

location and I am considering pouring a concrete "ramp" from that door to 
the  lift

pad, but I'm not sure how that will work out as well. Incidentally, just 
as

an aside, the 348 will continue to stay in the attached garage with a 
concrete

floor unless venturing into the lift area for some maintenance or 
tinkering.
In addition to the obvious economic benefits of going with gravel rather

than concrete include the absence of concern as to what drips or splatters 
on

the nice little stones, and of course in tracing leaks "drip pans" and/or 
the

lift and pad under it. One other alternative may be to eventually 
"blacktop"

the  remaining interior area, but then again there are some fluids in our 
cars

that  do not treat blacktop kindly.
Similarly, the 750'x10' driveway will also be gravel to start out with, 
and

probably upgraded to blacktop as the economic realities and demands on 
funding

allow, but unless the cost differential between asphalt and concrete

diminishes  greatly or even reverses a concrete driveway will be a 
permanent fixture.

Of  course, down here in the more temperate climate of the Mid-South 
asphalt

works  for the driveway to the house with good durability and 
serviceability

and just  adding the leg off of the one that curves in front of the house 
will

be  esthetically pleasing as well as practical.
One caveat is that there are only the two (sort of adults) of us living 
here

so there won't be any spinning out, peeling off, etc. with stones flying 
and

frequent rutting, and most of the equipment here, bobcat, grader for the

tractor and a reasonable blade on the ATV are conducive to maintenance of 
a

gravel driveway, and it will probably stand up better to moving the big 
stuff

like the fire truck around on it.
I would be interested in what you learn about sealants. While it is 
probably

too late for the attached and RR garages but i would like to put a 
durable,

less susceptible to staining and damage under them to improve its 
appearance.
Dr. Steve
1964 Rolls  Royce Silver Cloud III...........1975 Pontiac GV Conv.
1980 MB  450SL..................................1982 RR Corniche
1985 MB 280 GE  G-Wagen................. 1985 GMC Brigadier 20 Ton
Winch/Wrecker
1988 Rolls  Royce Silver Spur................1990 Cadillac "Eagle" Hearse
1994 F-350  Powerstroke 4x4................1995 Ferrari 348 Spyder
1996 Bronco  ......................................2000 Lincoln Town Car
2004  Excursion...................................(+ Audrey's 2x MB's)
and  a
1976 Fire Truck...................................HAHN, WARNER &  SWASEY-
DUPLEX
DIVISION  HOWE  APPARTUS . MODEL #R400 FIRE  TRUCK w/a 100' Tower

Dr. Stephen B. Spies, CES,  CFI
Director, Forensic Sciences Laboratory
Explosives Engineering  Technologies
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Re: Ferrari OT NFC Garage Floor Coating	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:54:14 -0800 (PST)