Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Spec-ing Our A New Ferrari Order [Ferrari Digest, Vol 26, Issue 37]

[Adam (flatcrank]

This raises the question of establishing a relationship (however one- 
sided) with a given, local Ferrari dealer.

Surely it's necessary to establish some sort of continuity if one  
wants to buy a car at list price or to get the cars that go only to  
known customers.  The Scuderia is the example today.  I can get one  
today, for $350-400K or even higher with exchange rates.  Unless I get  
into the program, I'll never get those sorts of cars at a price I'm  
prepared to pay.

Second, I wonder if there's an advantage in working with a factory  
owned store or a store that has a dealer agreement.  It doesn't seem  
to improve their available cars or their selection (to work with a  
factory owned store) but perhaps there's other advantages (such as  
pricing policy.)

Again, I'm rather more interested in the long term experience and I  
want to have some fun with the whole process, including ordering a car  
to my preferences and taking delivery at the factory.  Both of these  
aspects might not be viable or might become less satisfying than I  
expect, but I'm still optimistic.

So what I think I have to lose is the prospect of getting cars in the  
future or being involved with a local dealer, being invited to local  
events and having the option to enjoy a variety of cars over the  
years.  Maybe that's all just wishful thinking.  One or two people  
I've known who've bought a new car from a dealer have extinguished the  
relationship because they were dissatisfied with what they expected  
from the deal (such as not having any prospect of a Scuderia) and I  
can see that the limited supply of those cars (and the buyers of these  
cars are surely touched by the macro economy disaster unfolding around  
us, but still, they're not going to cut back on life's essentials,  
like a new Fiorano or Scuderia and they'll buy a Maser GT as a token  
of good will just to confirm their place in the pecking order ...)   
Maybe I'm mistaken ...





On Sep 22, 2008, at 3:43 AM, clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net wrote:

> SJ has more money than the FED right mow
>
> My take on the 430 is to  wait and search for a dealer who has one  
> comming in with no buyer
> With the market the way it is my bet is that Ferrari of NY has more  
> than a couple Italian sleds inbound with buyers that have backed out.
>
> You have nothing to loose
>
> Clyde
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:10:15
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spec-ing Our A New Ferrari Order [Ferrari  
> Digest,
>         Vol 26, Issue 37]
>
>
> Ok - here's my two cents, Adam:
>
> 1) If you don't care about depreciation, then just get EXACTLY what  
> you
> want, with no regard to what anyone else (especially a future owner)  
> will
> like. A few have already said this, and I agree.
>
> 2) To minimize deprecation, here's want you want:
>
> -Rosso Corsa (aka "Resale Red")
> - Tan interior (or black, if you must)
> - F1 Transmission
> - Shields
> - Carbon brakes
> - Red brake calipers
> - As many carbon fiber trim pieces as they will put on it
> - Racing seats? Your call. They won't make much difference one way  
> or the
> other.
> - Spider or coupe? Again - your call. They are different cars. Get  
> the one
> you want.
>
> So you may want to go somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.
> Regardless of what you do, when it arrives, DRIVE IT and enjoy in good
> health!
>
> SJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam [mailto:flatcrank [at] gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:24 PM
> To: Steve Jenkins
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spec-ing Our A New Ferrari Order [Ferrari  
> Digest,Vol
> 26, Issue 37]
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:59 PM, BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com wrote:
>
> > Adam:
> >
> > The quick and dirty of it is you are making a significant cash
> > outflow on
> > the car anyway you look at it and I would suggest that you figure
> > out whatever
> > makes you happy and equip it exactly that way. I know there are a
> > lot of
> > experts  who can advise you on which options will reward you with
> > the best payback,
> > but  IMNSHO shopping for a niche car, as Ferraris are and most
> > probably
> > always will  be (at least if the factory can make it work that way,
> > I understand
> > that they  like to produce ~5k cars/yr. but also are concerned about
> > keeping the
> > in-line  time to ~2 yrs. so as to not discourage potential new car
> > buyers and
> > cause them  to divert to something such as a Lamborghini), and as I
> > believe
> > it was Clyde  said, the dealers always love to have the buyer take
> > an in-stock
> > used (e.g.  trade in from another new car buyer) car to drive in the
> > interim
> > until their  newly positioned order is filled).
>
> I guess that's the long and the short of it!  If I run the numbers and
> examine the real cost too closely, well, I'd probably just drive my
> Prius ... but I have a pretty clear picture of the consequences of
> spending $200K on a car and the lease burden or the cost of
> opportunity in having cash parked in a Ferrari are manageable, the one
> thing I'd like to get away from is the depreciation curve.  At least
> to stay higher on the curve.
>
> As noted, Ferraris, especially the 360's and 430's, have become
> somewhat numerous and the upside of recent production has been quality
> and lower operating costs.  From my last three cars, I know my mileage
> habits have changed a lot in the last few years, so I feel I'm finally
> in a position to have a car that I don't expect to rack up the 10K+
> miles per year I was tending to drive as recently as about five years
> ago.
>
> I floated the "let's go to the selection of used cars you have or know
> you can acquire and pick out something" but it just didn't seem to
> matter in the grand scheme.  This particular dealer is much more
> concerned about selling the new cars and the only "sweetener" might be
> a Maserati or the California (both of which I'm prepared to mix into
> the deal, but again, it's only a sweetener, it doesn't help me get any
> closer to car like a Scuderia, where the number of "deserving"
> customers far outnumbers the available production.)  I hope this first
> F430 takes me towards the "next" Scuderia -- that's about all I can
> expect at this point.  No complaints there.
>
> > I would add that given the size of the investment, why not just
> > consider a
> > trip to the factory before the due date for bespoking (bespeaking?)
> > the car and
> > examine things from a close-up perspective? I think that the trip
> > may be the
> > best investment you can make in terms of getting exactly what you
> > want, and
> > seeing what is available. I don't know how the Ferrari dealers feel
> > about
> > this,  but colleague (who married into far more wealth than I shall
> > ever see) is
> > in the  process of ordering a new Phantom and was encouraged to make
> > a trip to
> > Greenwood  before finalizing the bespoke order on that car. This way
> > you can
> > see exactly  how each of the options look and feel, and can get the
> > answer as
> > to whether you  exact requests can be fulfilled or if a compromise
> > that also
> > makes you happy can  be had.
>
> This is a great idea -- visiting the factory ahead of the order.  I
> tried to get into one of the driving schools, but that's strictly for
> owners and I was told the factory visits are also restricted, but with
> an order in the system and my deposit on the books, a factory visit
> might not be out of the question.  Thanks for the idea -- I don't know
> why I didn't think of it, but I'll pursue this with the dealer this
> week and see what's possible.
>
>
> Cheers,
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