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From: philville dejazzd.com (philville![]() |
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:43:14 -0800 (PST) |
Michael I do not know which "side" you are on, but it sounds like we are on the same team. It is funny / sad, all this commentary on money / taxes and hard work....but I do not here much about teaching, mentoring, sharing our ability to create / or how we might be able to assist some one who has not had the benefit of those resources which most of us have had access to.....good homes, caring parents, education, books, families with values. I often wonder when I see some one who is suffering ( and usually in silence) how much he or she might have accomplished given the opportunities that I have merely taken for granted and probably wasted. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > I won't deny that there's a growing animosity brewing between > the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' in this country, but its hard > for me to sympathize with a socio-economic class of people who: > > - are growing in numbers, both in the number of newly-minted > Millionaires and Billionaires > - are growing in amounts/share of global wealth they personally hold > - aren't complaining or asking for relief from this situation > > These are facts regardless of political persuasion. > > For me, its a waste of bandwidth to 'come to the aid' of folks > who don't seem to want or need defending. Every time I read of > T.Boon Picken's exploits, he's made another $100 Million, he > certainly isn't looking for a shoulder to cry on (Kerkorian > might, but its his own fault and he knows it). They're doing > well, they continue to do well, and they'll do well in the > future. The pages of DuPont Registry aren't getting any > thinner, Ferraris in US markets still have multi-year wait > lists, and the one segment of the Housing market that is still > VERY robust and healthy is the upper-end. Plenty of money > there, and its being enjoyed and spent by the people who earned > it. Let's all put-away our kleenex and pitch-forks. > > The US tax structure has a ways to go before it approaches > taxation levels of Europe, Canada or most other countries of the > world. Where ya gonna go that offers more financial > opportunity? Perhaps an Arab country that has socialized its > natural resources to support its citizens? You'll be leaving > many of your Liberties/Freedoms you enjoy now at the door...your > politics and your religion might not be welcome in your new > country-of-residence, either. But if all of that means > absolutely nothing to you in an effort to preserve 0.6% of your > income, by all means. Freedom isn't 'Free', expecially when 'We > The People' are spending $10 Billion per month to establish it > in Iraq. Feel free to lecture all the soldiers, sailors, Airmen > and Marines out there about how painful the Gas Guzzler tax is > on the purchase of your Ferrari..... > > And now I'm done ranting. > > M > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? > To: cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:29 AM > > Hey Michael - Hope you're having a good week - > > You're right - it doesn't have anything to do with the way > Ferrari's are designed - and I won't say anymore about it > whether you > respond to this or not. - > > well, if you don't care - you obviously have enough money to not > have to > worry about it. - *will* it bother you at some > point? Because you may see > these kinds of fees rise in the next few years - > BTW, it could be turned into a yearly fee with the stroke of a > pen - > > May as well send me $10000 or $20000 - I deserve it as much as > the govt. > . > Well- at least you got a good laugh from my posts ;-) > > Take care - > Sincerely, > Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) > www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits & > Porsche Posters/Weber parts > . > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James" > <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> > To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? > > > When you're ready to compare the GAINS attained by that top 5% > in the past > several years in relation to their tax burden, you would note > that the top 5% > still increased their profits/wealth overall - they have not > lost money because > of Uncle Sam. Nor will they lose money with a 0.6% increase - > gains made by that > top 5% far surpass their US tax burden, as many in this tax > bracket have taken > their business ventures global. Ask Kirk Kerkorian or Warren > Buffet if > they're worried about the IRS....these folks make/lose huge sums money > through other activities completely unrelated to their tax bill. > > Are you suggesting we suspend Democracy in order to protect the > top 5% > financial earners? Certainly 'the Rich' are capable of making > their case > to politicians and the voting electorate regarding their plight > in today's > economic situation. Those folks are smarter than your and I on > so many levels > when it comes to finances, many of them voted in-support of the > upcomingadministration. I'm sure they had their reasons - > reasons you may not be > privy to. > > BTW, what does any of this have anything to do with Ferrari > designing by > Windtunnel instead of imagination??? Just curious.... > > > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, jashburne [at] aol.com <jashburne [at] aol.com> wrote: > > From: jashburne [at] aol.com <jashburne [at] aol.com> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:35 AM > > This is the problem with a "soak the rich" philosophy. > Already we > have accepted a very progressive tax structure in which the top > 5 percent of > earners pay half or more of total tax revenues and the bottom 45 > pct pay no > income taxes at all. > > When the president elect says that increasing the top tax rate > from 36 pct to > 39.6 pct is only "chump change" to a million dollar earner when > it is > really a tax increase of $36,000 a year, this country is in big > trouble. > This is dangerous because politicians don't care about losing 5 > pct of the > vote when they can promise tax cuts or checks to the other 95 pct. > > There is a limit to how far the government can force fewer and > fewer people to > carry more and more of the tax burden and we may be approaching > it. If we are > careful the most productive sectors will leave and this economy > will spiral > downward. > > Rant off > > John > ------Original Message------ > From: Matt Boyd > Sender: > To: jashburne [at] aol.com > Cc: The FerrariList > Sent: Nov 12, 2008 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? > > Right! They're rich enough, so we should just extract the > $$ from > them. If they can afford a gold stripe, they certainly > should pay > some money to the government! > > :-? > > -matt > '85 euro 308....with no gas guzzler fine... > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Michael James > <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > LOL, you're funny Larry. > > > > NEVER have I heard someone wanting to buy a new Ferrari walk > into a > dealership and go: "Damn, I could 'just' afford a new 430, > but I > can't afford the car with that Gas Guzzler tax added on! > My dreams are > over, I'm going to have to go buy a Buick now.....Damn those > WashingtonSocialists, boo-hoo.....sniff..." > > > > Please - buyers are spending several thousand$$$ extra to have > those gold > stripes painted on their Scuderia's hood to match the color of > the rims and > have the seat-stitching threads contrast the seat leather. > Do you think any of > these 'extras' make the car go faster? These folks don't care > about > the money, good for them. Care to guess that the > California won't sell > well, even in this economy? > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/jashburne%40aol.c om > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/cavallino_rapante %40yahoo.com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comca st.net > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/philville%40dejaz zd.com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier 39 Churchill Drive Elverson Pa 19520 610.525.8949 And, go to: ... www.PhilvilleUSA.com
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