Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: 0-150 mph

[Michael James (cavallino_rapante]

I seriously agree with the capability, but I was more-referring to the 
Viper/Vette 'heartland' target demographic, who probably could care less what 
happens at Le Mans and is much more interested in what is happening at 
Talladega on sunday....hence the design of the magazine 'test', which involved 
no turns whatsoever but was published for a predominantly US readership.
 
M

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:


From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: 0-150 mph
To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:23 PM



"Over ten seconds....clearly, this demonstrates the US-auto capture of the 
'Joe-American' standard of performance (stoplight racing) vs. what Europe deems 
important to the driver.  "

If that standard is wins at Le Mans, you're right! Viper has won Le Mans three 
times, the 599 has never won anything. It's much, much, much more than just 
stoplight performance.....MUCH more. The Vette is even more successful (5 wins).

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:41:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: 0-150 mph

I had to re-read your numbers three times to make sure...but I think you 
completely skipped-over the biggest shock of all.  The Viper was well-over ten 
full seconds (not tenths OF a second) faster than cars that cost, oh, TWICE 
what the Viper goes for?  Cars with decades of 'refinement', 
Engineering, big-dollar development, etc. That 22 seconds is a sledgehammer to 
the face of Porsche, Jag, and BMW.  Over ten seconds....clearly, this 
demonstrates the US-auto capture of the 'Joe-American' standard of performance 
(stoplight racing) vs. what Europe deems important to the driver.  
 
I think any garden-variety, paddle-shift 599 with carbon-ceramic brakes could 
beat that, but it would be close - the 599 is a heavy car.  And you'd still 
have to cough-up an extra, oh, $100,000 and sit on a wait-list for a year or 
two before you'd get a car to try, but hey.....if you wanted a brand-new Viper 
tomorrow, Dodge could probably get you your car in 90 days, tops.  Not that 
anyone in their right-mind would chase such a useless statistic - the Viper 
probably slowed down so fast because it was completely out of gas by the 
time it hit 150.....
 
M


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:


From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] NFC: 0-150 mph
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:00 AM


Cleaning out my car magazine collection, and came across the August 1998
issue of C&D. It was the first time I saw a 0-150-0 competition in a
magazine, and it stuck for years.

Here's some 1/4 mile/et, and 0-150 mph times for several stock cars from
back in the day:

Acura NSX 12.9 [at] 110 mph, 28.2 sec
BMW 540i Sport 14.0 [at] 103 mph, 34.7 sec
Camaro Z28 SS 13.5 [at] 107 mph, 36.0 sec
C5 Corvette 13.1 [at] 111 mph, 30.2 sec
Dodge Viper GTS 12.2 [at] 118 mph, 22.5 sec
Jaguar XJR 13.5 [at] 106 mph, 34.8 sec
Porsche 996 C2 13.4 [at] 104 mph, 38.2 sec

Interesting how the gearing and powerbands play a role getting to 150 mph.
Takes more than hp/torque to get to 150 fast:

"Second place was a surprise. We expected the Corvette, with the second best
power to weight ratio and best aerodynamics, to snatch the silver,
especially since it outbraked the other stock cars with a 720 foot stop. It
was a cinch to launch, and its demeanor was quiet and comfortable, even at
140 mph. But shifting into the tall 0.74:1 fifth gear at 134 mph dropped the
LS1 V-8 out of its power band. At that point, the Acura NSX, which was
singing along near its power peak in a 0.91:1 fifth ratio, managed to slip
by and win second place. The Corvette was third."

I can relate to these GM 6 speeds....really a 4 + 2 than a true 6 speed,
meant for gas mileage and low RPMs at cruising speeds. 6th is typically too
tall to do a top speed run in.

That 540 really has no business being in that group but manages to get to
150 mph faster than 3 other cars. An E39 M5 must be pretty fast to 150, as
well as the E60 if this is any indication.

Can someone post up a list of 0-150 mph times for all the Ferraris they can
get their hands on? I'd be curious to see what some of the slower V8 cars
can post up....be interesting to see what a carbed 308 GTB could do. Might
be able to beat some of the cars on that list. ;)

FG
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