Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Opinion - Rick's Failed Economy Comment

[LarryT (l02turner]

You wrote <<Consumers are inherently selfish and
stupid... >>

Sorry, I just cannot let this one pass.  So, the public is too stupid to do 
things *your* way so the govt should make them do things as *you* see it? 
Where does it stop?  tell the public what kinds of toilets to buy? (Oops, 
already did that)

Where does it stop?  How far are you wiling to go to make people do things 
*your* way?

Why should you even care what kind of vehicles other people buy?  It's not 
your money.  Worried about using to much gas?  It's a problem that will take 
care of itself if left alone.

Socialism seems to be your primary concern.  All you want is a govt to 
mandate the way the public does the things *you* think are needed.

You're in the wrong country, the US wasn't established to operate like 
that...

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Fleischer" <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Opinion - Rick's Failed Economy Comment


I think its great that the problem is here today...  High mileage
standards, its a great technological hurdle to solve, its already been
solved really, but its about time it reached our shores.  BMW still
makes 7 series and GM will still make SUV's, just not every Sam Dick and
Harry is going to be tooling around in one...  I think that is
wonderful, I frikking hate getting stuck behind one of those, or seeing
one depart its lane next to me because of a bad driver.

Before January, Big Oil was our Government...  GWB and GB Sr are big
oil...  Just not American Big Oil, I think they were/are Saudi Big Oil
if you check it out...  Now that they are out of office, Big Oil has to
lobby like the rest of the corporate pukes.

Are Electric cars the answer?  Probably not, electricity still needs to
be generated, and batteries are not really disposable (nor are gas
vehicles however).  As with most things mandated by the government
(Catalytic converters, Seat Belts, Air bags, Crash worthiness), they are
things the consumer should just "want", but of course not really willing
to shell out the extra $$$ to pay for them...  So the argument that
SUV's are consumer driven and that a consumer driven market is the way
to go?  BS.  utter utter BS.  Consumers are inherently selfish and
stupid...  This is not a matter of finding a better energy source, its a
matter of finding a more efficient one, or using less energy to do the
same thing.

As for a mandate for better mileage standards?  About F'ing time, we are
so far behind the rest of the world in this area its beyond sad and
pathetic.  Get on your horse and claim all the fantastic things the US
produces, yet none of it is for us.  3G networks, low fuel economy cars,
high efficiency heating and cooling, Nuclear power, Transportation
infrastructure, all lagging so far behind the rest of the world, that
its laughable.  Why else would VW and Toyota have the best solutions out
there and not GM and Ford?

Members of this list feel afronted by these mandates, when the reality
is most of us can weather the storm of 6$ a gallon gas and keep driving
our low mpg toy cars, sure we give up a steak dinner one week out of the
year, but really?  Personally I like the idea that the imbecile who did
not graduate from high school, got knocked up 4 times by the age of 24
and is now putting makeup on while talking on her cell phone in her
Expedition full of screaming kids, is instead of killing my family,
going to bounce off and play the odds in a smaller vehicle...  I believe
in live and let live, but lets not give these people easy access to
SUV's so they can cheat Darwin either.

And I can't help but completely believe that had Bush/Cheney proposed
these same high mileage standards (yeah let's make sure we sell less
oil, that's likely to come from Big Oil George!), it would be received
as the second coming by Rick and his Right wing, burn the forests for
the oil underneath buddies...  That isn't a conspiracy, its just a clear
conflict of interest to run the country and still have your personal
wealth and future personal wealth tied to oil...  Same as giving your
own company no bid contracts to rebuild after a war initiated under your
watch...  Ethically its not a gray area to me, its wrong, criminally so,
made legal only by virtue of being able to sign it off as being so...





jimshadow [at] verizon.net wrote:
> I've been on an all day walking field trip with my 9 year old Daughter and 
> her class.   Todays subject has been interesting reading even with no FC. 
> :)
>
> So how does the power struggle play out when its Gov't mandates vs. the 
> oil companies?  How far will they have to go before Big Oil gets into the 
> Electricity game, or will they start leaning on politicians really hard to 
> stall some of this wacky legislation....
> What's the end game here with BO and his push to anything but oil.......
>
> I have an idea.....let's have an FChat War Game and play it out here..... 
> :)
>
> Jim
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jim Conforti
> To: Jim
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Opinion - Rick's Failed Economy Comment
> Sent: May 20, 2009 3:36 PM
>
> At 01:18 PM 5/20/2009, Dan Warlick wrote:
>
>
> > Texaco owns Cobasys, the company that holds patents on NiMH batteries for
> > cars. They have not been easy to deal with according to Toyota and 
> > others.
> > Excerpt here.....
> >
> > In her book, Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America, 
> > published
> > in February 2007, Sherry Boschert argues ...
>
>    Translation:
>
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>
>    or it could just be a sound business decision of
>    an intellectual property rights holder. (CobaSys)
>
>    Naww - it's an
>
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>
>    Secondary Translation:
>
>    Just what the world needs - more "journalists" writing impassioned
>    yet factually vacuous tomes about subjects they really know little 
> about.
>
>    The same people who have for years screamed "NO NUKES!" (anyone here 
> old
>    enough to remember those moonbats?) - now screaming that electric cars
>    are the answer to everything.
>
>    (Jim taps moonbat on shoulder)
>
>    Umm.. where is this electricity for your magic electric plug-in city
>    car made of soy and built by LGBT union workers going to come from?
>
>
>
>
>
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