Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax

[Brian E. Buxton (BrianBuxton]

All of this mess started with the housing market, which was a result of 
legislation pushed through by Clinton.  Bush just happened to be in 
office when it all fell apart.

B


Rick wrote:

> From: "Lee Lingo" <leescars [at] comcast.net>
>
> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Oh, please.  Your posts are nothing more than you finding articles that 
> support your complaints.  Big deal.  Your candidate lost.  Get over it.
>
> My candidate in the two previous elections won and look at the state we're 
> in now.
>
> And besides, you're comment about BO using the situation to push through his 
> agenda is not news.  If I'm not mistaken, Bush did the same thing with the 
> Patriot Act which many feels is the single-most  destructive piece of 
> legislation ever in regards to eliminating the civil liberties this country 
> was founded on.
>
> Stay on topic.  Please.
>
> Lee
> =====================================================================================
>
> Yeah that explains why BO is keeping almost all  of Bush's patriot Act 
> legislation. Here are articles listing all those  " destructive" Bush 
> policies that BO has suddenly decided are actualy quite good to have, so we 
> can have another 8 years free  from  terrorist  attacks in the US . 
> Renditions, FISA Wiretaps, Gitmo detainees, etc.
> Read at your own peril.
>
>
> Is Obama embracing Bush-Cheney terrorism policies?
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/---johanna-neumanclick-here-for-automatic-twitter-alerts-on-every-ticket-item-or-follow-us-latimestot.html
>
> Obama Administration Maintains Bush Legal Argument for Terrorist 
> Surveillance Secrecy
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/13/obama-administration-upholds-terrorist-surveillance-secrecy-rules/
>
> Wednesday Feb. 18, 2009 05:59 EST
> Charlie Savage on Obama's embrace of Bush/Cheney "terrorism policies
> http://www.salon.com/src/pass/sitepass/spon/sitepass_website.html
>
> Obama vindicating Bush on anti-terror policies
>
> http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/1215525.html
>
>
>
> Obama in Bush Clothing
>
> By Charles Krauthammer
>
> http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | "We were able to hold it off with
> George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the
> Obama administration over these powers is really stunning."
>         - Unnamed and dismayed human rights advocate, on legalizing
> indefinite detention of alleged terrorists, the New York Times, May
> 21
>
>
> If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the flip-
> flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the homage that
> Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has adopted
> with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire, allegedly
> lawless Bush program.
>
>
> The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military tribunals. During
> the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling them an
> "enormous failure." Obama suspended them upon his swearing-in. Now
> they're back.
>
>
> Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he's doing in deed. As
> in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech yesterday
> claiming to have undone Bush's moral travesties, the military
> commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step:
> (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic
> changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.
>
>
> Cosmetic changes such as Obama's declaration that "we will give
> detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel." Laughable.
> High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the
> frisson of representing these miscreants in court.
>
>
> What about disallowing evidence received under coercive interrogation?
> Hardly new, notes former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. Under the
> existing rules, military judges have that authority, and they
> exercised it under the Bush administration to dismiss charges against
> al-Qaeda operative Mohammed al-Qahtani on precisely those grounds.
>
>
> On Guantanamo, it's Obama's fellow Democrats who have suddenly
> discovered the wisdom of Bush's choice. In open rebellion against
> Obama's pledge to shut it down, the Senate voted 90 to 6 to reject
> appropriating a single penny until the president explains where he
> intends to put the inmates. Sen. James Webb, the de facto Democratic
> authority on national defense, wants the closing to be put on hold.
> And on Tuesday, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, no
> Gitmo inmates on American soil - not even in American jails.
>
>
> That doesn't leave a lot of places. The home countries won't take
> them. Europe is recalcitrant. Saint Helena needs refurbishing. Elba
> didn't work out too well the first time. And Devil's Island is now a
> tourist destination. Gitmo is starting to look good again.
>
>
> Observers of all political stripes are stunned by how much of the Bush
> national security agenda is being adopted by this new Democratic
> government. JWR contributor Victor Davis Hanson offers a partial list:
> "The Patriot Act, wiretaps, e-mail intercepts, military tribunals,
> Predator drone attacks, Iraq (i.e., slowing the withdrawal),
> Afghanistan (i.e., the surge) - and now Guantanamo."
>
>
> Jack Goldsmith (The New Republic) adds: rendition - turning over
> terrorists seized abroad to foreign countries; state secrets -
> claiming them in court to quash legal proceedings on rendition and
> other erstwhile barbarisms; and the denial of habeas corpus - to
> detainees in Afghanistan's Bagram prison, indistinguishable logically
> and morally from Guantanamo.
>
>
> What does it all mean? Democratic hypocrisy and demagoguery? Sure, but
> in Washington, opportunism and cynicism are hardly news.
>
>
> There is something much larger at play - an undeniable, irresistible
> national interest that, in the end, beyond the cheap politics, asserts
> itself. The urgencies and necessities of the actual post-9/11 world,
> as opposed to the fanciful world of the opposition politician, present
> a rather narrow range of acceptable alternatives.
>
>
> Among them: reviving the tradition of military tribunals, used
> historically by George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Winfield Scott,
> Abraham Lincoln, Arthur MacArthur and Franklin Roosevelt. And
> inventing Guantanamo - accessible, secure, offshore and nicely
> symbolic (the tradition of island exile for those outside the pale of
> civilization is a venerable one) - a quite brilliant choice for the
> placement of terrorists, some of whom, the Bush administration
> immediately understood, would have to be detained without trial in a
> war that could be endless.
>
>
> The genius of democracy is that the rotation of power forces the
> opposition to come to its senses when it takes over. When the new
> guys, brought to power by popular will, then adopt the policies of the
> old guys, a national consensus is forged and a new legitimacy
> established.
>
>
> That's happening before our eyes. The Bush policies in the war on
> terror won't have to await vindication by historians. Obama is doing
> it day by day. His denials mean nothing. Look at his deeds.
>
>
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