Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[LS (lashdeep]

Was Gerry's closed course?

Who was the first to break 200mph on a closed course in a race car? It was 
before 1972...



----- Original Message ----
From: Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:26:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

Hmmmm, CAM2? - yeah. yer right, that's it, not STP.  I just recall it was a 
red-ish car.  Very small oil cooler opening.  I also recall that Gerry 
Grant - a really big fellow who had a habit of breaking steering wheels, was 
the first to break 200 mph in a Gurney Eagle - um, 1972 or so.
Onward
DOUG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?



He might've done another closed course record in the early 70s, but his 
famous one was in 1975 in the CAM2 sponsored 917-30.

They did blow a lot of turbo Porsche motors up in the beginning of 917-10 
development. Porsche gave him an engine that didn't have a dyno chart before 
5000rpm and would not idle. It was the precursor to the modern "dyno" motor 
that's never designed to be used on a road.

They had no fuel/air metering at idle, below 5000rpm and between 5-8000rpm. 
He and the chief engineer at Porsche developed fuel/air mixture ratios for 
the full rev range, then had Bosch build a fuel injection system to support 
it. Then it finally ran correctly.

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

Closed track record? Ayep - in the early 70's. STP sponsored 917. Tough
thing was he blew up abut 50 motors - or was it three? trying to do it -
seems the old flat 12 was designed to jump on it, brake, jump on it, brake
and not just jump on it for 10 miles.

I recall looking at the Penske pit during the USRRC - US Road Race of
Champions - a sorta Jr. CanAm before Mark jumped into fray with Porsche.
Every where I looked - the car was double and triple back up ----- if you
don't first finish, you can't finish first.

Next was Mark's trip into the Rex Mays 300 at Riverside in early December as
the last USAC race of the year for points. He was badgering Gurney big time
for first place when he just ticked one of the buried half tires (yeah, they
buried a tire and left half of it exposed to define the inside of the
corner - man, talk about dragons teeth?) and sucked off his RF suspension.
I have a picture of him just 1/2 second after he did that at turn 6 still
balanced on the loaded three wheels and a MOST disgusted look - oh yeah -
Bell open face helmets in those days. Ah well.

Onward
DOUG

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From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?


> Was it campaigned on the west coast? The things I remember Mark for were
> the Indy McLaren, and with Penske in both the Trans-Am and Can- Am. Didn't
> he and the Capt'n (no, not you cLyde) attempt a closed circuit ultimate
> speed record in the 917 too?
>
> Yer pal, Shitbox Bubba (there, I beat you to it, cLyDe!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> To: red5hilser
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
>
>
>
>
> Those Rodriguez brothers were apparently nutty behind the wheel!
>
> Willi, any memories of Mark Donohue in the Kirk F White 512M?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "red5hilser [at] aol.com" <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com; rentiers [at] mac.com; ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com;
> Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:38:21 AM
> Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
>
> Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion right
> here in
> East Jesus, AR.?
>
> Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class at?the
> Times
> GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK in the late '50s, and both
> GTS Doug
> and I chatted with his older brother in the pits at Laguna Seca after his
> Can-Am
> Ferrari dropped out with he said, "the fuel pump, she chorted!"
> ?
> If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari racing
> trivia,
> either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.
>
> Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's first win in
> Europe?
>
> Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: philville
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>
>
>
>
> ? OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
> ? owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
> ? it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
> ? At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated
> ? accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari now
> ? I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
> ? many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
> ? car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
> ? know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
> ? Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the
> ? truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and 50's.....or
> ? about Ferraris efforts at Indy........
>
> ? Where is the passion?
> ? ----- Original Message -----
> ? From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.
> com
> ? Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm
> ? Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
> ? To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> ? Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> ? > I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
> ? > unique.? And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...
> ? >
> ? > Rick
> ? >
> ? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ? >
> ? > -----Original Message-----
> ? > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
> ? >
> ? > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
> ? > To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> ? > Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> ? > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> ? > Sales tax
> ? >
> ? >
> ? > I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
> ? > Ferrari or
> ? > were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
> ? > for the big
> ? > day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
> ? > that there
> ? > would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
> ? > the BO ,so he
> ? > can redistribute it to whatever group of people that? BO
> ? > desires, instead of
> ? > them keeping as much of their hard earned money
> as they can. I
> ? > don't see
> ? > how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
> ? > get to own? a
> ? > Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
> ? > for not
> ? > wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.
> ? >
> ? >
> ? > ----- Original Message -----
> ? > From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> ? > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
> ? > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> ? > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
> ? > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> ? > Sales tax
> ? >
> ? >
> ? > >I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I
> ? > had already
> ? > >started working out moving our operation off shore.? So,
> ? > his tax increase
> ? > >will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year.? Yeah-
> ? > that increase
> ? > >will pan our really well for him.
> ? > >
> ? > > And it is not a matter of be
> ing selfish, as most of the have-
> ? > nots seem to
> ? > > think.? Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they
> ? > are have-nots.
> ? > > I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they
> ? > absolutely need
> ? > > the help.? I also have no problem in helping to supply a
> ? > safety net for
> ? > > those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,
> ? > fall on hard
> ? > > times.? But that latter group will also be in need short-
> ? > term, and not
> ? > > decide to live off of the social system.? Unfortunately,
> ? > the Democrats are
> ? > > generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I
> ? > would have
> ? > > to say has at least one foot into communism.? Just how
> ? > much private
> ? > > business is our government taking over now?
> ? > >
> ? > > Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.? Socialism
> ? > simply does not
> ? > > work, and for the reasons previously stated.? It is great
> ? > in theory, but
> ? > > falls apart when you bring the human element into it.? I
> ? > say open the
> ? > > border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or
> ? > capitalism
> ?
>> > (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists
> ? > north), and
> ? > > then lock the border up tight.? Lets see who makes it
> ? > through the year.
> ? > >
> ? > > (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)
> ? > >
> ? > > Big R
> ? > >
> ? > > ________________________________
> ? > >
> ? > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
> ? > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
> ? > > To: Rick Morris
> ? > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> ? > Sales tax
> ? > >
> ? > >
> ? > >
> ? > >
> ? > > No sir.? You are the rick with the BIG R!
> ? > >
> ? > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> ? > wrote:>
> ? > >> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> ? > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> ? > Sales tax
> ? > >> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> ? > >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> ? > >> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
> ? > >> Have
> I been demoted to just 'the
> ? > >> other Rick' now?? ;-)
> ? > >>
> ? > >> ________________________________
> ? > >>
> ? > >> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
> ? > >> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
> ? > >> To: Rick Morris
> ? > >> Cc: The FerrariList
> ? > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
> ? > >> National Sales tax
> ? > >>
> ? > >>
> ? > >>
> ? > >>
> ? > >> Hello Friends,
> ? > >>? ? We are obviously of mixed minds
> ? > >> here.? Discussions like this are often contested
> ? > >> between the "haves" and the "have-nots".? I'm not sure
> ? > >> that's the case here in FList land.? Most of us 'have'
> ? > >> to some degree.? Hummm...
> ? > >>
> ? > >>? ? I think it just comes down to the fact
> ? > >> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
> ? > >> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
> ? > >> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
> ? > >> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
> ? > >> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
> ? > >> people who
> did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and
> ? > >> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
> ? > >> marginally acceptable level.? That just does not work
> ? > >> for me.? One doesn't get from life what one
> ? > >> deserves.? One gets what one works for.? (Please
> ? > >> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)
> ? > >>
> ? > >>? ? I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
> ? > >> this but I've seen both sides.? I grew up poor,
> ? > >> descended from an even poorer Scottish family.? I have
> ? > >> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
> ? > >> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
> ? > >> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
> ? > >> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
> ? > >> work if I can get government money for free?"? That
> ? > >> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
> ? > >> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand.? I
> ? > >> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care h
> ow much
> ? > >> money we earn.? We'll care about how we live."
> ? > >> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
> ? > >> other than ours).? Hummm...
> ? > >>
> ? > >>? ? Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
> ? > >> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
> ? > >> evolutionary forces.? Life wants to survive and
> ? > >> replicate, even if at the expense of others.? We want
> ? > >> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
> ? > >> loose.? Its how life works.? Just look at what
> ? > >> people watch on network TV!? We have to compete and we
> ? > >> like to win!? Winning upsets the balance that socialism
> ? > >> tries to establish.
> ? > >>
> ? > >>? ? The system being forced upon us now is
> ? > >> counter to all of that.? Its like saying that all the
> ? > >> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
> ? > >> They must all be equals.? Someone should take all of
> ? > >> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
> ? > >> India so that all of the
> teams will be equals.? This
> ? > >> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
> ? > >> "No two anythings were ever created equal."? That
> ? > >> includes us, brothers.
> ? > >>
> ? > >> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
> ? > >> the big "R")
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