Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 458 Italia

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

As for Europe when I fly over there and look at the dealerships
Cars are on the showroom floor
There is a Ferrari dealership around the corner from my hotel with cars
Same goes for the UK and Paris
The Lambo market is really in the dumps 
Both here and in europe

Clyde
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:44:12 
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 Italia


>From monitoring FChat, what I have NOT heard is the story of someone walking 
>into a Ferrari dealership, cash-in-hand, and walking out with a new car 
>ordered.  If such a thing has actually happened, someone would have 
>bragged-about it by now.....the fact that it hasn't suggests in my mind that 
>the Factory has already moved allocations to other international markets, 
>keeping supply artificially-low Stateside.  Flush customers in China or Russia 
>or the Middle East are getting more cars, and the US is probably getting 
>less.  US Customers are still waiting a long time for cars (so they say), and 
>nobody is walking off-the-street and getting opportunities to buy anything 
>new.  The only opportunities I've heard where brand-new cars were available 
>from dealership showrooms were when the Market plunged several months ago and 
>over-extended folks lined-up to take delivery had to bail at the last minute.
 
M


--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> wrote:


From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 Italia
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:32 AM


I guess we're just speculating at this point, but does anyone know what the 
wait will look like for the new car? With the wait having been strongly reduced 
or evaporated for 430s, I'm wondering whether a new model will once again back 
up 2-3 years or whether the global slowdown will make that more reasonable.

Speaking of which, anyone know how the sales/wait are for the California? 

-- charles



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Pless [mailto:ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] 458 Italia

These are the first official pictures and details of the Ferrari 458 Italia
- the replacement for the Ferrari F430.

The Ferrari 458 Italia draws inspiration from the Enzo and takes a new look 
influenced by the Mille Chili concept car.

Ferrari 458 Italia picture gallery

Ferrari has confirmed that the car, codenamed F142 and long rumoured to be 
named the F450, will be called the 458 Italia. The name derives from the
powerplant: a 4.5-litre V8 which Ferrari claims has the highest specific output 
of any normally aspirated car engine. 

It certainly has more in common with superbikes than cars; at 127bhp per litre, 
the specific output is greater than that of many turbocharged engines.

The high-revving 4498cc V8 has very light internal parts and tiny piston 
skirts, resulting in low rotation inertia and a 12.5:1 compression ratio. It 
puts out 562bhp at 9000rpm, 500rpm higher than the 430. That makes it the 
highest-revving Ferrari road car ever. 

It means the 458 Italia will be ferociously fast, and Ferrari claims it will 
sprint to 62mph in under 3.4sec on its way to a top speed of "over 200mph".

While advanced engine electronics and lightweight parts underpin the extra 
performance, this will be the first mid-engined application of Ferrari's direct 
injection fuel system, which appeared first on the front-engined California. It 
also runs Ferrari's now-traditional flat-plane crankshaft.

The 458's engine will be one of the most flexible in Ferrari's history, too, 
with 398lb ft of torque arriving at 6000rpm. While that sounds peaky, it's only 
two-thirds of the way through the 458's rev range, and over 80 per cent (318lb 
ft) is available from 3250rpm.

The direct fuel injection has also helped cut CO2 emissions, producing a 
claimed 320g/km of CO2, even though it is faster and produces significantly 
more power than the 483bhp F430 and the 508bhp 430 Scuderia.


Dual-clutch 'box

Ferrari learned a lot developing the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox for the 
California and it has had to do even more development to fit the unit into the 
458 Italia's engine bay, under the curvaceous glasshouse.

The dual-clutch unit from the California has been modified with different 
ratios and now shifts even faster than the 430 Scuderia's 0.06sec. The 
gearbox's shift style is likely to be slightly more aggressive than the 
California's.

The E-Diff differential and the F1-Trac skid control system have long been the 
flagship carryover technologies from Formula 1, but the 458 Italia takes them 
even further and adds another piece of F1-derived technology to the brakes.

Instead of using individual ECUs for the E-Diff and F1-Trac, the 458 Italia has 
one ECU to control both (as well as the ABS system), resulting in streamlined 
processing and communication. Ferrari claims a 32 per cent increase in 
acceleration over the F430 (itself no slouch) out of corners. 

The brakes feature a new system called 'prefill'. When the driver's foot lifts 
off the throttle, the pistons in the calipers move the pads towards the discs; 
that helps to reduce the stopping distance from 62mph to just
32.5 metres.


Aluminium chassis

Ferrari has used its experience from designing the 430 Scuderia's suspension to 
create the 458 Italia's double wishbone front set-up and multi-link rear end, 
all bolted directly to the aluminium chassis. It's been developed with the help 
of Michael Schumacher, who was spotted testing the car. 

Ferrari has close ties to aluminium specialist Alcoa, which has built a factory 
near Modena to produce chassis for the firm. The 458 Italia's frame uses ideas 
from both the 430 Scuderia and the Mille Chili concept car. 

It uses more advanced bonding techniques than the 430 did, along with 
manufacturing processes more in line with the aero industry.


F1 wind tunnel

While the 458 was designed by Pininfarina, the shape has been developed using 
Ferrari's F1 wind tunnel. The bases of the black intakes in the front bumper 
deform at speed, closing up the intakes and reducing drag. These intakes also 
provide downforce and feed air though the radiators ahead of the front wheels.

The car's shape makes air curve around the cabin and run over the integrated 
tail spoiler. The flat undertray enhances the effects of the rear diffuser to 
create 140kg of downforce at 125mph.

Inside, the 458 Italia will take the opportunity created by the more luxurious 
California to become the sportiest V8 in the family. Ferrari says the steering 
wheel and dashboard are "new innovations in production cars"; expect a 
development of the firm's wheel-mounted manettino switch.

The 458 will be built alongside the California in a new production facility at 
Maranello.

The car will be launched at the Frankfurt motor show next month and is expected 
to go on sale in the UK next spring. It will be more expensive than the F430, 
so expect prices to start at around £150,000.


Dan Stevens


Ferrari 458 Italia - Technical specifications

Dimensions
Length 4527 mm (178.2 in.)
Width 1937 mm (76.3 in.)
Height 1213 mm (47.8 in.)
Wheelbase 2650 mm (104.3 in.)
Dry weight 1380 kg (3042 lbs)*
Weight/power ratio 2,42 kg/CV (7.16 lbs/kW) Weight distribution fr/r 42%/58%

Engine
Type V8 - 90°
Displacement 4499 cc (274.5 cu in.)
Maximum power 570 CV (425 kW)** @ 9000 rpm Maximum torque 540 Nm (398 lbs/ft) @ 
6000 rpm Specific power output 127 CV/l Compression ratio 12.5:1

Tyres
Front 235/35 ZR20 8.5"
Rear 295/35 ZR20 10.5"

Performance
Maximum speed >325 km/h (>202 mph)
0-100 km/h <3.4 s

Fuel consumption + emissions
Fuel consumption*** 13.7 l/100 km
Emissions*** 320 g CO2/km

Gearbox
Dual-clutch, 7-speed F1

Electronics
E-Diff3, F1-Trac, high-performance ABS

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry [mailto:charles [at] carolina-sound.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2009 12:08 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 Italia

Did we crash their server? I'm assuming you guys were looking at the Owner's 
Site preview that I got an e-mail about, but now it just shows "Pit Stop in 
Progress, Please come back soon"

-- charles


-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter N. Schultz [mailto:hns [at] biosafepanama.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:03 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 Italia

Yep. From the photos it looks stunning. P4ish in some ways.


Peter Pless wrote:
> So...what do you think?
>
> I like it
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