Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Magazine Covers

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

Read it, good book.

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:31 AM, stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Ford did more than throw money, it's complicated, read Go Like Hell.

 

Stephen

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From: Erik Nielsen

To: Stephen

Cc: The FerrariList

Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:45 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Magazine Covers

I thought Lola made the first GT40s?  Shelby didn't get involved until management was pissed at the lack of results of the program.

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:

Tom was an American trained at a Michigan university

in industrial design.  He moved to Italy, as one of his

professors had obtained a job for him as an apprentise

at a car designer.  (Forgot which one.....)  He married

an Italian woman and simply forgot to move back to

the US.  If I married an Italian woman, I'd probably do

the same.............................

 

His designs include the 365 California  (look it up!)

and - unfortunately - the 330GT 4 headlight.  Not a

high point in his career.

 

OK, to open up previous controversy.......

 

The Pantera can either be considered a "Ford" or

a "de Tomaso", depending upon your opinion and

your interpretation of history.

 

Ford commissioned the Pantera much like someone

would commission a painting of their spouse or offspring.

Ford didn't do it, but it was at their request.  So.........

 

The "Ford" GT40 is a Ford, right???  It was commissioned

by Ford, but built by Shelby.  No actual direct Ford involvement.

Lots of support, money, parts, engineering, etc.

 

The Pantera is similar.  It was commissioned by Ford, but

built by de Tomaso.  Is this different in principle than the

GT40?  Tjaarda talked about negotiating with Ford.  So...

 

Is this an Italian Stalion, built by Italian de Tomaso?  Or is

it like the GT40 and really an American (designed by an

American, and financed by an American company) Ford?

 

The choice is yours.  It really is not as clear cut as most

will make out.

 

Hans.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:11 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

I've heard is a great guy but have not had the chance to meet him.

The Pantera was screwed up by Ford initially but has since been acquitted as a masterpiece.

LS

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From: Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>

To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:57:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Magazine Covers

BTW, I was fortunate enough a couple of years ago to have

lunch and a long conversation about the Pantera with its

designer - Tom Tjaarda.  He's a really nice guy, and very

interesting to talk to.  Worked for Pininfarina, Ghia, and others.

Has several dozen cars to his credit, either as lead designer

or consulting.

 

Hans.

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