Lash,
I read this and I just laughed and laughed... This from a guy who
loves old muscle cars? Not caring about panel fit? Seriously?
There was a big guy from Dearborn, who dropped out of the 5th grade,
with a big rubber mallet standing at the end of the assembly line.
He was in charge of panel fit... dude got around too.
As for new Porsche's and Ferrari's... I'd take a 911 GT3 even if
they did put the motor in the wrong place, that's a car that
remembers to be fun to drive first and a video game a distant
second...
I still do not get the love for the 550/75, bland styling at best
(can anyone say Nissan 300zx meets 1980's Corvette?), and Corvette
(C5 coupe, not today's car) performance (in a straight line only) at
5 times the price? I drove a 550 at TWS many many years ago (when
they were still new) and it was at best mediocre. It was heavy,
under braked and handled only decently, sounded nice but the 355's
sounded much better. I had more fun in my E36 M3. Seriously you
have to have been significantly brainwashed by the F-marketing to
fall in love with that car.
My $ 0.02... It'll be parked in ghetto's near you soon enough...
On 11/12/2010 7:30 PM, LS wrote:
" I had a really good look at a 550 a few years back. For
me, that car was the turning point for Ferrari."
Indeed, the turning point where things went bad...now we have
cruise control and cupholders.
Ed, you associate things like panel fit with whether a car is
good or not. That may be important to you, but not to
everyone.
The old Ferraris are as reliable if not more than the new ones
or any Porsche.
If given the choice between a new Ferrari or a Porsche, I
would honestly rather punch myself in the nuts first.
But, at least the Ferrari would guarantee a parking space out
in front.
LS
From:
E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
To: LS
<lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc:
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent: Fri,
November 12, 2010 8:15:04 PM
Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
Porsche and Mercedes are now building proper cars again,
after a decade of building cars down to a cost, some of
which in my opinion were junk. I was amazed at the panel
fit when I had a really good look at a 550 a few years
back. For me, that car was the turning point for Ferrari.
I still stand by what I said regarding real world driving
though. Take a new Ferrari, and a new Porsche. Rip up both
warranties, drive them daily, year round for 5 years.
Subject them both to the same mileage, weather, and
occasional weekend DE flogging, and I'd pin my money on the
Porsche. That's not to say I wouldn't love to park a
Ferrari in my garage. :-)
I do still feel bad, even after apologizing to a fellow
profusely, for drooling all over his parked 458. If only
they offered the car with a manual trans!
Ed
911SC
On 12 November 2010 19:39, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
" I think Ferraris would show themselves to be
not quite at the durability level of Porsche, or
several other Germany brands."
In 1981 maybe, not anymore Ed!!!
It's a different world....the German cars have
reputations and comprehensive warranties now.
Now, if they could only find the soldering gun and
multimeter.
LS
To:
LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc:
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent:
Fri, November 12, 2010 4:49:46 PM
Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
I would imagine Fiat's money is what pretty
much keeps the Maser brand going. As for
independence, as far as I know, Ferrari road
cars, and I believe their F1 efforts too,
are owned by Fiat. Not a bad thing, for
Ferrari or their owners.
I don't think Ferrari is so much keeping
Maserati going. I think it's more due to
Fiat willing to put more money into
developing an engine and other bits, knowing
it will be shared with a few models. The
economy of scale in ways.
I think Ferrari have come a long long way
with build quality, and reliability, but I
don't think they're doing anything the
Germans are worried about. Take any Ferrari
model, and a random Porsche model. Drive
both the same miles, over 5 years, through
all weather conditions (real winters, salt,
parked outside in the hot sun, and of
course, flogged on the track on weekends),
and see how they both compare in the end.
Hope you don't take this post the wrong way,
I LUUUV Ferraris, but subjected to the same
beatings a lot of Porsches get, I think
Ferraris would show themselves to be not
quite at the durability level of Porsche, or
several other Germany brands.
Ed
911SC
On 12 November 2010
16:22, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Dale-
If it wasn't for the
Ferrari infustion of cash and
Ferrari-engineered/built
drivetrains, Maserati would no
longer exist. Who provided
Showroom floor-space for the
Maser re-introduction into the
US? Whose cash STILL keeps
the company afloat? I rest my
case.
Unlike Lambo, whose
independence-demise could be
directly tagged to their
quality issues, Ferrari
doesn't have that problem.
Ferrari could probably teach
VW a thing or two about
quality these days - all the
German brands are suffering,
limping-by on their
'prestige'. Ferrari is not
vulnerable, nor is there a
need for new ideas at
Maranello that German
engineering would be welcome.
From: dale sailors <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] SAY IT
AIN'T SO
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Thursday, November 11,
2010, 3:47 PM
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Hello,
VW buying
FERRARI in part?
Wow!
I've owned two
VW Things (Type
181) and known
several advanced
VW tuners of the
air cooled flat
4 motors.
Interesting but
quality conttrol
and finish was
iffy. Parts get
high quick too.
Just try pricing
a set of side
curtains whose
windows yellow
in 24 months, a
wiper motor or
anything for the
1973 gas heater!
I had some
negative
experience too
with the early
diesel RABBIT
(admittedly on
Mexico sourced
diesel fuel).
The Mexico made
HORMIGA heavy
truck based on
the RABBIT was
durable if bog
slow though.
BUGGATI and
LAMBORGHINI have
survived VW
ownership fairly
well it seems? I
can't see
FERRARI and
LAMBO with the
same owner
though. I would
even hate to see
VW get MASERATI,
the "trident"
has suffered
enough under
FIATand FERRARI
(of course my
idea of MASERATI
is a TYPO
60/61/6364/65 or
151 or 450S.
FIAT should keep
ALFA ROMEO too,
it complements
FERRARI and
MASERATI nicely.
If anything FIAT
should dump
CHRYSLER on VW.
Just my ideas,
Dale
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