Re: 308 QV emissions failure and possible misfire
From: Michael James (cavallino_rapanteyahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:53:38 -0800 (PST)
Just-as-Important will be the rubber seals you'll need that go around the injectors.  I have seen two types used for QV engines: a black-rubber donut held-fast with a Cir-clip and a 'mushroom' seal that fits underneath a stainless-steel threaded cap that the injector fits-through.  You'll want to get the right ones, they are not interchangeable.
 
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--- On Thu, 12/23/10, Alexander Ishii <alexishii [at] mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Alexander Ishii <alexishii [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 308 QV emissions failure and possible misfire
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 10:56 PM


Hi Gary,

Iâm going to order a new set of injectors tomorrow.  Figure that even if they are not the problem, if the current ones are suspect, than I wonât be confidently move on to other possibilities.

    Cheers,
    Alex


on 12/23/10 12:29 PM, Gary Reed at gary [at] garyreedsales.com wrote:

After 26 years, your injectors are probably all shot.  The factory ones were steel and they corroded over time.

Replace all of them with upgraded Bosch "brass" injectors.

Gary


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From:  Alexander Ishii <mailto:alexishii [at] mindspring.com>  
 
To: Gary Reed <mailto:gary [at] garyreedsales.com>  
 
Cc: The FerrariList <mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>  
 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:58  AM
 
Subject: [Ferrari] 308 QV emissions  failure and possible misfire
 


Hi All,

So my 84 QV has been stubbornly failing  emissions (in NJ), and after some
repeated assertions by my usual mechanic  that "all seems to be well", I've
found myself having to try and figure out  the problem myself.

At the moment, the car is not idling right in my  mind (despite what my
mechanic says).  For one, the idle speeds  "hunts" a bit; not enough to be
seen on the tach, but enough to be felt as  a slight change in the vibration
frequency of the engine.  Second,  every couple of seconds one gets a
just-audible muffled "pop" sound from  the engine, accompanied by a slight
puff of extra exhaust out of the tail  pipes (no sound out of the air intake
system).  Also, the car is  running sort of on the hot side (coolant temp
"idles" at 195).

Plugs  and wires were changed not long ago, but other than that, nothing much
has  required much tinkering in many years.

The "pop" has me thinking than  one-or-more of the cylinders is
intermittently misfiring and dumping some  un-burnt fuel into the exhaust
manifold (where it is igniting and  "popping").  Given the "every couple of
seconds" nature of the  problem, however, I have little doubt that all the
sparks will look fine  when I try the usual tests.  Anyone have any
suggestions for how I  might try and zero-in on the faulty system (short of
swapping-out every  part one-by-one until the issue goes away)?

Also, it has also occurred  to me that the problem might be that the
injectors are not atomizing  properly, and leading to an complete burn (in
turn leading to exhaust  manifold ignition of the leftover fuel).  Has anyone
seen symptoms  like the above be remedied with replacement of the injectors?

All  thoughts/opinions/experiences would be appreciatively  accepted.

    Cheers,
     Alex


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