Ferrari Mailing List: Re: the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

[Larry (l02turner]

Thanks to LS, Erik, Clyde and all others for the great replies!  IMO this 
list is the only place you'll learn that kind of stuff - the road testers 
just give performance quotes - I'd prefer to see road tests done on 10 year 
old cars - then we'd learn something!  Testing a new car is usually a 
foregone conclusion: they tell 0-60 times and a very few other performance 
specs and then tell readers the weights and other less than useable info.


Thanks again Guys!  I won't even READ an ad for a 456 now!  It's a shame 
though - gorgeous car IMO.

LarryT

-----Original Message----- 
From: clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:11 PM
To: Larry Turner
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

I could no have said it better
The 456 is the 12 cyl version of the 348
Sorry it is what it is!
Clyde
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:58:14
To: Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

When two of the independent parts dealers say to run away from the
456, you have to wonder why?  There were a lot of electronic systems
on that car that we're not exactly ready for prime time. They had the
bugs worked out by the time the 550 showed up.

On 11/12/11, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Clyde -
>     Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>
>     You mentioned your interest in the 575 – and I like the 550/575 and
> understand why you’d opt for the newer model.  But not mentioned was the
> 456.  Not manly?  I like the styling of the 456 as much as the 550/575 and
> wondered why you’d consider a 575 and not even mention the 456?  Is it 
> that
> bad or does it just not “light your fire”?
>
>     They’re both V12s – similar V12’s IIRC.
>
>     Care to share your comments?
>
> Thx
> LarryT
>
> From: clyde romero
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:28 PM
> To: Larry Turner
> Cc: 'clyde romero' ; The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE
>
> Well I’ve been asked to write my views on the 12 cylinder cars
>
> So here it comes, and know I didn’t get all of them but you will get the
> gist.
>
> As some of you know I own a 512 TR with around 93k on it, I drive it not 
> wax
> it!
>
> Most likely the highest mileage one out there and with no major issues.
>
>
>
> So lets start from the top
>
>
>
> Early Boxers where the rage for a while with some idiot even in the baby
> shit rag called FML stating he had the “original plastic “ on the doors
> asking what $200k for his 1960 throw back!
>
> Anyway these cars were nice but VERY LONG IN THE TOOTH and if they break 
> you
> need a CNC machine to get it back to running order.
>
> The same goes with all those ascot guys you see at the Ferrari meets with
> the bottle blond on his arm with the car on the grass at the golf course 
> of
> your choice with the Daytona’s etc.
>
> I mean please a carb 12 cyclinder Ferrari is neat to look at but its heavy
> and has the brakes and steering of a Chevy Vega and at $200k plus give me 
> a
> break.
>
> And don’t forget the fire extinguisher please!
>
> Forget about A/C, and all that shit you here about ( I love the sound of 
> the
> engine) is just that shit! Because who needs hear metal hitting metal ?
>
> Not me, if that’s the case go visit a  blacksmith you can hear that all 
> day
> long there.
>
>
>
> The modern 12 cylinders are they way to go, and why do you say. Because 
> they
> don’t have to work that hard all the time to get going.
>
> They loaf and still perform hence last longer than there brethren the
> screaming 8 cylinder younger brother 458 etc
>
> And they look better doing it too
>
>
>
> The 412 massacre was just that, and some even had a automatic transmission
> for GM!
>
> Ferraris first try at cross dressing and it failed.
>
>
>
> The series 1 TR was the first real attempt by Ferrari to make a great 
> Grand
> Touring 12 cyl that had everything BUT BRAKES!
>
> It had the look and the power, but in usual fashion the follow up was
> better, the 512 TR.
>
> It had the brakes that the early TR should have had along with a better
> transaxle that would not fail.
>
>
>
> Oh yea did I mention that when Ferrari built the TR they put the old shit
> box BOXER tranny it, and the new TR had way more power so you had the 
> clowns
> who bought the TR new and thought they were in a 5 litter Mustang dragging
> off stop lights with the wide tires tearing out the rear cases! Bonus..
>
>
>
> They fixed tranny issue in the 512TR but not the early serial #’s sooo you
> don’t know if you don’t check the gear box and Yes Virgina it’s a $15 K 
> fix
> minus the labor.
>
> In fact I doing one now for a friend on a 92 TR that should have had it 
> from
> the factory.
>
> But he bought this car from someone who had the 2nd gear down early in its
> life which told the story on how it was driven.
>
> And yes that a clue guys and girls, if you buy a Ferrari and its had
> transmission work, you bought an anchor, treat it as such.
>
> Bottom line stay away from the TR series 1 it has too many issues in the
> Tranny and for a little more you get the real deal in the 512 TR.
>
> The 512 M is not worth the money period, 12 more HP for wheels and funny
> head lights. That is it on 512 M
>
>
>
> The 456 has the same quality control issues as the 348 had. NONE!
>
> Leaking windows! Please that went away with Citroen ( for you who don’t 
> know
> that that is, it is not a hair care product, PHIL tell them please!)
>
> Anyway 4 four seater modern day Ferrari, WTF were they thinking? I mean 
> most
> of the crowd who bought this 12 cylinder shit box with and Automatic
> transmission( there they go again trying to cross dress, haven’t they
> learned!) did have 3 friends to go anywhere with them!
>
> Have seen this crowd anywhere? Tell me please where they hang out at
> STARBUCKS, Wendys, hell they dare not show their faces in public, it is 
> like
> they are sex offenders of the prancing horse crowd, I mean really!
>
> Any this car was a serious flop, if you have the climate where it doesn’t
> rain like IRAN, buy one they are cheaper than a 348.
>
> I would pay for the video of the guy bringing one in on trade. It would be
> like bring in a Masseratti Quatrro Port or worse yet ANY ASTON MARTIN in 
> on
> a trade.
>
> Hell a Iraqi T-72 has more trade in value than any of those cars! At least
> it would start an run!
>
> ( PHIL I know you are laughing!!)
>
> Phil tell us all what you would say when some poor un suspecting soul 
> would
> bring their treasure  slug in for trade?
>
> What were the words you would say to them on value? I gotta know! It’s the
> holidays tell us, because there are those out there in LA LA Land who have
> these 4 wheel cars and they need to hear it from a GRANDFATHER rather than
> some guy in a cheap suit and a dime store tie!
>
> Enlighten us PHIL you know the words
>
>
>
> Ok ok  I am off message, back to war.
>
> So then they made the 612 SCAGAAA a something another, well need I say 
> more!
> Nice car stealthy looking and fast with all the bells and whistles. But at
> $220+ large for it new  they took a page from the NSX play book on how to
> sell a car!
>
> It didn’t.
>
> Once again the guys who bought these things don’t have that many friends 
> to
> go anywhere with because they drive so bad an scare them! So what the 
> point!
> At least in the 2 seat world you only scare one other person ( they are 
> not
> scaring themselves because they KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!, hey what the web site
> with the wrecked Ferrari’s anyway?)
>
> They could take their EX wives with them in the 612 (get them all in one
> crash)  but that’s  it!
>
> My take on this sled is $100 MAX with the custom luggage thrown in.
>
>
>
> Ok who’s laughing? This is all true and you know it!!!!
>
>
>
> Back on message, let move on to the 550 and 575.
>
> They got it right with this car. The 550 is the better car if you want 
> euro
> style handling they soften it up for the US crowd with the 575.
>
> The story is the same here the 575 is overall the  better car in the long
> run, it has all the new and improved features that the 550 did not get, 
> seen
> this before?(308 2 valve vs 308 4 valve/TR vs 512 TR you get the idea)
>
> And what is good about this car is that you don’t have to take out the
> engine to do the belts, this will be my retirement ride in 3 years,( and 
> no
> I am not selling the 512TR none of you deserve this car, and yes I said 
> it,
> only steve Jenkins knows why he owns one and we know who we are so there!
> SMILE)  this car is blinding fast and comfortable and stealthy, if you 
> took
> of the fender badges you would not know it was a Ferrari crushing you on 
> the
> ROAD!
>
> Lots of torque great A/C true Grand Touring car in the 21st century. Only
> drawback is the F-1 transmission.
>
> I don’t care what they say these things are going to cost big bucks when
> they start getting long in the tooth!
>
> But they way you guys drive ( an average 3k miles a  year) that will take 
> a
> long time to happen, right?
>
> Get a 6speed  if you can find one or start a slush fund for your F-1 
> tranny
> rebuild/pump/computer take down, because it will happen!
>
>
>
> They came out with the 575 SuperAmerica and those guys are replacing the
> flip top like cheap sock made in INDIA!
>
> Some idiot opened the top in his garage and you can imagine that mess !
>
> I would pay $65K for 550 and no more than $90k for 575.
>
> As for the SA 575 those idiots still think they can get six figures for 
> the
> car, they are not even on the planet maybe another universe but there is
> always Zanax(sic).
>
>
>
> As for the specially cars F-50 and the like we have all seen the videos of
> the clowns in these cars, you got to love Ferrari marketing at times. Sell
> some outrageous car with crazy stupid horse power to anyone and watch them
> drive into the fountain in MONACO! Image is everything but really!
>
> Its like the goons who buy old F-1 cars and crash them a track at Pebble
> Beach Meet out west. Its sick fun watch the handicapped drive these 
> things!!
>
> Why don’t they buy airplanes and remove themselves from the gene pool
> already!
>
> In a lot of ways you feel sorry for them. I know of the guy who owned a 
> F-50
> who tried to jump start it because the battery went dead( what he wasn’t
> driving it daily to work! ) and blew out the $15k dash board (its and LCD
> dash, and he didn’t read the owner’s manual it said don’t jump start the
> car, but hey I am a DOT comm guy I don’t need no stinking manual)
>
>
>
> In my opinion Ferrari built these limited edition cars because they knew
> they could charge ridiculous amounts of money for them and they could use
> that big over ride in price to fund the F-1 program.  I mean I will admit 
> I
> have the Ferrari fever as bad as anyone but even if I had Bill Gates 
> money,
> you don’t buy a F-15 if you just have a commercial pilot’s license!
>
> But do I know !
>
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> If I missed a 12 cylinder car there was a reason, it wasn’t relevant, no I
> am just kidding I am writing this enroute to MEX and don’t have access to
> the internet.
>
> Gotta fly the plane an talk on the radios and all!
>
> Oh one more thing the main issue with the 512 TR is the starter, put the 
> new
> version on it and the starter relay package and you will have no issues.
>
> Get a can of R-12 off ebay as well so you don’t have to convert the a/c
> system to R-134 which no matter what they tell you sucks unless the car 
> was
> designed for it. The conversions never work well.
>
> By the way does the 550/575 have R-134 I don’t know but I think it does 
> and
> what year was the change over anyway?
>
> That it from the CLYDEster
>
> All the best guys.
>
> Lets try to meet somewhere in 2012 anywhere maybe Cape Cod?
>
> HMM
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> Clyde Romero
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> just the right amount of wrong!
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> "SCARS ARE TATTOOS WITH BETTER STORIES"
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