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Re: F1 for 2014
From: Robert W. Garven Jr. (rgarvengmail.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
All,

I go green all week long so I can go red on the weekend! Also if I am not mistaken a ferrari in pieces
has the greatest fuel economy. I want to run the planet on solar power so we can save the gasoline for 
the sports cars!


Robert W. Garven Jr.


 "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for those lucky few." Enzo Ferrari






On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Erik Nielsen wrote:

Good article, peer reviewed, yet unaudited against real world conditions. 
 
 
Your mileage may vary, literally.
 
Erik


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
And full disclosure, I work in this field and we are supplier to Tesla...


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
The question is what is the cradle to grave CO2 emissions value of the car compared to a comparable ICE vehicle, operating CO2 is just one component of the overall calculation needed to do this on a true apples to apples comparison?  I've not seen any numbers quoted (or audited) on that regard.
 
 


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
But Erik, I wasn't talking about all that, I'm just curious if the numbers I quoted (pounds of CO2 emissions per type of car) made sense, or if they are suspect.
 
For the record, I got those numbers here:
 
 
and by going to the map and selecting Virginia.
 
-Matt


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
If the playing field was level, it wouldn't be an issue, but tax breaks and incentives (and as a share holder as well as a customer, I expect you to know where the revenue really is coming from at Tesla, Matt) muddy the waters and make it even more difficult for the average consumer to make a well informed decision to allow for the invisible hand to do it's magic.
 
 
Funny that it is scheduled to be in the real City, one of the weakest regulated markets from a business and economic perspective; guess they want to make up for it on their urban planning rules...


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
You knew I was going to reply, didn't you? ;-)
 
First, I didn't buy my Tesla to be green. I'm not defending it in that way. That said, I would be interested in commentary on what Tesla's website suggests as far as emissions from a normal ICE versus the Model S in my state of Virginia. I'm curious if those smarter than me would agree with their assessment.
 
First, they say (from United States Energy Information Association, 2009, whatever that is), that Virginia has the following breakdown for energy sources for electricity:  40% nuclear, 37% coal, 17% natural gas, and 6% other. Given those numbers, they imply that the average Gas car emits 35.27 pounds of CO2 per day (based on a daily mileage of 40 miles) versus the Model S effectively emitting 15.15 pounds per day.
 
Even if it were backwards I'd still enjoy our car just as much, but I'm curious from your perspective if those numbers make sense.
 
-Matt
'85 308
'13 Model S
etc


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:28 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

 "Don't get me wrong, I think electric cars are cool because they're forward-looking technology, not because they're green. They're not green. They just push the emissions out of public view. I'm okay with that but the average human is pretty uninformed - and that implues that half the population is dumber than that."

Rick, well put.

Even the "intelligent" general public has limited technical comprehension.

LS





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From: Rick <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:53 AM

Subject: [Ferrari] F1 for 2014

Hey Friends,

What are your thoughts regarding the 2014 F1 season? Lots of rules changes. Some are okay, some are stupid. I'm okay with the okay ones. Not fond of the stupid ones.

Emphasis has changed from agressive driving to conservative driving, with the engineers calling the shots. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope so. But when races are to be won by tire and fuel management rather than agressive overtaking, I wonder how exciting a race can be. Perhaps timid overtaking will be the norm because everyone is over their lap's fuel allotment. 

Here's a thought: For those of us who have followed F1 for decades, we know the circus is a complex interplay of team strategy and driver skill. With the emphasis shifting to pit wall from cockpit, the balance seems to be shifting in favor of strategy (over cockpit). For us seasoned fans (read: old farts) that may be okay, because we follow both race strategy and cockpit testicles magnitude. But what about the new fan, the guy fresh from NASCAR or WRC, who just tuned in? Is he going to understand lifting and allowing a pass because the driver used too much fuel on the previous lap? And unlike tires 'going off', how is the driver going to know if he's been using too much fuel by driving competitively? A: advice from the pit wall. 

Yes, I know its a team sport and I know I'm going to enjoy it. In fact, I may enjoy it just a little bit more this year, but the new viewer may not. It is after all, 'entertainment', not 'sport'.

Why might I enjoy this season more? Because I follow F1 for the cars and the technology. I really don't care about the drivers' championship. They're just the meaty part of the package. I just want the drivers to function and get 100% out of the machine. And when I write 'technology' I mean technology that makes the cars quicker, not 'greener'. A green F1 car is an oxymoron.  Screw green. If they really wanted green they should convert their transporters to electric (and burn coal like other electric cars). Don't get me wrong, I think electric cars are cool because they're forward-looking technology, not because they're green. They're not green. They just push the emissions out of public view. I'm okay with that but the average human is pretty uninformed - and that implues that half the population is dumber than that.

So yes, I am really ready for the season to begin. I love seeing Williams performing well. They were overdue. Nice to see our favorite red cars doing well too. It will be an uphill challenge against the mighty Mercedes technical empire, but with Ferrari's win-at-all-costs attitude, they should be winning races this season. We shall see - and that's what I'm waithing for!

What are YOU waiting for?

-rick

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