1. Re: auction (Clyde Romero)
From: Craig Williamson (da-rollscomcast.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
I'm 70 and I totally agree with the Captain!
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  1. Re: auction (Clyde Romero)
  2. Re: Re. F1 (Erik Nielsen)
  3. Re: auction (Fellippe Galletta)
  4. Brake pads and muscle cars (Mark)
  5. Re: Brake pads and muscle cars (Clyde Romero)
  6. Re: Brake pads and muscle cars (Erik Nielsen)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:51:15 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] auction
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I am 64 years old I remember working on these American shit boxes when I was a teenager
They were shit back then when they were new!
Poorly built
Horrendous brakes and tires
Forget about any comfort
They were then  and still are the Harley Davidson's of the 4 wheel world
Noisy and don't handle
Thank god Americans don't all think like those idiots
Or we would have never landed on the moon,came up with color tv and air-conditioning
These guys are the Neanderthals of the car world
And as far as old Ferrari's are concerned
They at least had a racing heritage other than going fast for 1500' in a straight line!
Gotta go watch the F1race

In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932

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On Sep 7, 2014, at 2:38 AM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/14, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am watching the auction of muscle cars

Stupid money

For stupid cars

I sorta agree/disagree....

Muscle cars are great, but I never could rationalize them being worth
megabucks. I guess we could dismiss them as one trick ponies, but then
maybe we could do the same for vintage 250 series Ferraris that
couldn't handle or brake much better.

So we're putting on our red colored glasses and showing a bias for
exotics over muscle -- which I fully endorse. Just look at a 250 SWB
or 275 GTB....gorgeous and much classier looking interior.

Now a Cuda, Chevelle, Pontiac GTO are nice looking too in that muscle
way but not the same.

So I'm ok with "elite" muscle going for 100-200k perhaps, but this
$500k-$1M+ is insane. IIRC there may have been a $2 or $3M Cuda
sold....an extremely rare 1 of 5, convertible with manual, etc. Silly.
Like the 250 GTO version of muscle.

The good news for muscle is that you can get more or less the same
cars for a whole lot less if you're not obsessed with #s matching
crap, original this and that. There's no real stigma to doing
modifications and what not to these cars so long as you don't take
them to the big auction houses.

I believe one could get a "normal" muscle car for $50-60k these days
(less probably) and do what they want.  A far cry for a vintage
Ferrari.

FG
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:19:50 -0500
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Re. F1
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I think they are trying to keep GT3 relevant, but when Audi, Porsche, Bentley, and Lamborghini all answer to Wolfsburg, it turns into a branding exercise. Ferrari left sports car racing because they found their niche (F1) where they could get the most bang for their buck.

But the world is still full of people that buy into the concept of win on Sunday, sell on Monday...

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

Le Mans is starting to get wishy washey as well
Back in day the cars were cars even during the Ferrari Ford wars of the 60's But now they have quick change, super charged Diesel engines and transaxle assemblies
That have no resemblance to anything we see on the street
If it weren't for the P cars and wanna be Ferrari drivers in the 458 and the plastic shit box Vettes Anyone watching would think this was a race of alien machines on this planet, in France no less! I always watched Le Mans because initially it was not about money( just as FORD )
But it eventually got to money with Audi and Porsche



In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932

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On Sep 6, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Or just get your fix once a year and watch Le Mans...

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 6, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with most everything posted. And I offer a few thoughts.

1. Double points is stupid. It effectively negates the results of a number of earlier races, at tracks with historical significance. It also enters a randomizing element into the championships. AND given that the stewards can take points away, impose grid penalties and impose drive-throughs/stop-n-goes, the 'show' can be stage managed just the way Bernie wants it: Championships decided on the last lap of the last race.

2. In-season testing ban is stupid.

3. Frozen engine development is stupid.

4. Penalties for racing incidents are stupid.
5. Claims of environmentally conscious racing are just greenwashing.

6. Rev-limits are stupid.

7. Banned movable aerodynamics, except for the double standard of where they are not banned, is stupid.

8. Banned traction control is stupid.

9. Banned anti-lock brakes is stupid.

10. Banned anti-dive hydraulics is stupid.

11. Banned continuous ratio gearboxes is stupid.

12. Banned launch control is stupid.

13. Regulated fuel burn rates and capacity limits are especially stupid since this is a self regulating issue. You want to burn more fuel? You have to carry more fuel (weight).

14. Brake by wire is stupid. What's next? Steer by wire? Soon we won't even need the precious little pretty-boy drivers at all!

What they have done is remove all the driver aids that we enjoy on our daily drivers and religated the high-tech gadgets to controlling the cars to converge them toward mediocrity. That was tried in the '80s with other sports; Lets give every player a trophy, independent of performance. What we got in exchange is the plethora entitled millennials that we now have to endure.

Yes, I'm disillusioned with the so-called sport. Its just turned into a spec series. And yes, I know its an entertainment industry, like all professional sport. And I would be just as disillusioned if Kimi and Fred were dueling at the sharp end.

I still watch all qualifying and all races and sometimes FP2 (since that's all we get), but I now watch only on DVR so I can actively avoid the sponsors. DirecTV's jump-ahead-15-seconds button is genius. I just hit that button until I see cars going round and round again.

Finally, some argue that with all the high-technology driver aids allowed, the series would turn into a parade with the top performers at the front. That may be BUT, shouldn't the top performers be at the front, instead of regulated so that everyone gets a trophy?!

My rant concludes.

-rick
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:21:03 +0600
From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] auction
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Hahaha, pretty funny.

Do you at least like the modern offerings? They all handle and brake
well too besides going fast.

FG

On 9/7/14, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am 64 years old I remember working on these American shit boxes when I was
a teenager
They were shit back then when they were new!
Poorly built
Horrendous brakes and tires
Forget about any comfort
They were then  and still are the Harley Davidson's of the 4 wheel world
Noisy and don't handle
Thank god Americans don't all think like those idiots
Or we would have never landed on the moon,came up with color tv and
air-conditioning
These guys are the Neanderthals of the car world
And as far as old Ferrari's are concerned
They at least had a racing heritage other than going fast for 1500' in a
straight line!
Gotta go watch the F1race

In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932

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On Sep 7, 2014, at 2:38 AM, Fellippe Galletta
<fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/14, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am watching the auction of muscle cars

Stupid money

For stupid cars

I sorta agree/disagree....

Muscle cars are great, but I never could rationalize them being worth
megabucks. I guess we could dismiss them as one trick ponies, but then
maybe we could do the same for vintage 250 series Ferraris that
couldn't handle or brake much better.

So we're putting on our red colored glasses and showing a bias for
exotics over muscle -- which I fully endorse. Just look at a 250 SWB
or 275 GTB....gorgeous and much classier looking interior.

Now a Cuda, Chevelle, Pontiac GTO are nice looking too in that muscle
way but not the same.

So I'm ok with "elite" muscle going for 100-200k perhaps, but this
$500k-$1M+ is insane. IIRC there may have been a $2 or $3M Cuda
sold....an extremely rare 1 of 5, convertible with manual, etc. Silly.
Like the 250 GTO version of muscle.

The good news for muscle is that you can get more or less the same
cars for a whole lot less if you're not obsessed with #s matching
crap, original this and that. There's no real stigma to doing
modifications and what not to these cars so long as you don't take
them to the big auction houses.

I believe one could get a "normal" muscle car for $50-60k these days
(less probably) and do what they want.  A far cry for a vintage
Ferrari.

FG



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:17:42 -0600
From: "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
To: "'Fellippe Galletta'" <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] Brake pads and muscle cars
Message-ID: <073101cfcaae$dee1bd50$9ca537f0$@308systems.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

So... I didn't receive many replies for brake pad recommendations - do you
guys still track your cars?

Also, I happen to own a 1969 Firebird 400 4spd matching convertible(probably
less than 500 remain in the world).  I looked for 20 years for this car
because I think it has nearly as pretty lines as my 85 308, however the 308
interior is more "Euro Sports Car" with levers, etc and which is why I
bought the 308 and not the 328.

According to latest muscle car auction results the Firebird is worth around
$65k - more than my 308.   Interestingly, I bought my 308 from a car
collector in St. Louis, who had huge garage filled with................
American classic/muscle cars......   and one Ferrari 308.  There are many
more people in the US with a taste for Bud and muscle, than there are craft
beer and Ferrari's, thus more demand and more $$ chasing Bud and muscle.

Mark Lueker

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc=308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Fellippe Galletta
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:38 AM
To: Mark
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] auction

On 9/7/14, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am watching the auction of muscle cars

Stupid money

For stupid cars

I sorta agree/disagree....

Muscle cars are great, but I never could rationalize them being worth
megabucks. I guess we could dismiss them as one trick ponies, but then maybe we could do the same for vintage 250 series Ferraris that couldn't handle or
brake much better.

So we're putting on our red colored glasses and showing a bias for exotics
over muscle -- which I fully endorse. Just look at a 250 SWB or 275
GTB....gorgeous and much classier looking interior.

Now a Cuda, Chevelle, Pontiac GTO are nice looking too in that muscle way
but not the same.

So I'm ok with "elite" muscle going for 100-200k perhaps, but this
$500k-$1M+ is insane. IIRC there may have been a $2 or $3M Cuda sold....an
extremely rare 1 of 5, convertible with manual, etc. Silly.
Like the 250 GTO version of muscle.

The good news for muscle is that you can get more or less the same cars for a whole lot less if you're not obsessed with #s matching crap, original this
and that. There's no real stigma to doing modifications and what not to
these cars so long as you don't take them to the big auction houses.

I believe one could get a "normal" muscle car for $50-60k these days (less
probably) and do what they want.  A far cry for a vintage Ferrari.

FG
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 11:27:13 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Brake pads and muscle cars
Message-ID: <EC74C00F-F5E1-4637-9A68-FDFB78B211A0 [at] bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You can stand in the crowd or know who you really are !


In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932

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On Sep 7, 2014, at 11:17 AM, "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com> wrote:

So... I didn't receive many replies for brake pad recommendations - do you
guys still track your cars?

Also, I happen to own a 1969 Firebird 400 4spd matching convertible(probably
less than 500 remain in the world).  I looked for 20 years for this car
because I think it has nearly as pretty lines as my 85 308, however the 308
interior is more "Euro Sports Car" with levers, etc and which is why I
bought the 308 and not the 328.

According to latest muscle car auction results the Firebird is worth around
$65k - more than my 308.   Interestingly, I bought my 308 from a car
collector in St. Louis, who had huge garage filled with................
American classic/muscle cars......   and one Ferrari 308.  There are many
more people in the US with a taste for Bud and muscle, than there are craft
beer and Ferrari's, thus more demand and more $$ chasing Bud and muscle.

Mark Lueker

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc=308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Fellippe Galletta
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:38 AM
To: Mark
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] auction

On 9/7/14, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am watching the auction of muscle cars

Stupid money

For stupid cars

I sorta agree/disagree....

Muscle cars are great, but I never could rationalize them being worth
megabucks. I guess we could dismiss them as one trick ponies, but then maybe we could do the same for vintage 250 series Ferraris that couldn't handle or
brake much better.

So we're putting on our red colored glasses and showing a bias for exotics
over muscle -- which I fully endorse. Just look at a 250 SWB or 275
GTB....gorgeous and much classier looking interior.

Now a Cuda, Chevelle, Pontiac GTO are nice looking too in that muscle way
but not the same.

So I'm ok with "elite" muscle going for 100-200k perhaps, but this
$500k-$1M+ is insane. IIRC there may have been a $2 or $3M Cuda sold....an
extremely rare 1 of 5, convertible with manual, etc. Silly.
Like the 250 GTO version of muscle.

The good news for muscle is that you can get more or less the same cars for a whole lot less if you're not obsessed with #s matching crap, original this
and that. There's no real stigma to doing modifications and what not to
these cars so long as you don't take them to the big auction houses.

I believe one could get a "normal" muscle car for $50-60k these days (less
probably) and do what they want.  A far cry for a vintage Ferrari.

FG
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:31:36 -0500
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Brake pads and muscle cars
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What was it that George Carlin said about the average American...

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 7, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

You can stand in the crowd or know who you really are !


In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932

Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. C., Sections 2510-2521, and is intended only for the persons or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, copying, forwarding or distribution is prohibited. This email transmission, and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is priviledged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information containes in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail at Clyde.romero [at] yahoo.com or by telephone at (678 6419932)and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk.

On Sep 7, 2014, at 11:17 AM, "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com> wrote:

So... I didn't receive many replies for brake pad recommendations - do you
guys still track your cars?

Also, I happen to own a 1969 Firebird 400 4spd matching convertible(probably
less than 500 remain in the world).  I looked for 20 years for this car
because I think it has nearly as pretty lines as my 85 308, however the 308
interior is more "Euro Sports Car" with levers, etc and which is why I
bought the 308 and not the 328.

According to latest muscle car auction results the Firebird is worth around
$65k - more than my 308.   Interestingly, I bought my 308 from a car
collector in St. Louis, who had huge garage filled with................
American classic/muscle cars...... and one Ferrari 308. There are many more people in the US with a taste for Bud and muscle, than there are craft
beer and Ferrari's, thus more demand and more $$ chasing Bud and muscle.

Mark Lueker

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc=308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Fellippe Galletta
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:38 AM
To: Mark
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] auction

On 9/7/14, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am watching the auction of muscle cars

Stupid money

For stupid cars

I sorta agree/disagree....

Muscle cars are great, but I never could rationalize them being worth
megabucks. I guess we could dismiss them as one trick ponies, but then maybe we could do the same for vintage 250 series Ferraris that couldn't handle or
brake much better.

So we're putting on our red colored glasses and showing a bias for exotics
over muscle -- which I fully endorse. Just look at a 250 SWB or 275
GTB....gorgeous and much classier looking interior.

Now a Cuda, Chevelle, Pontiac GTO are nice looking too in that muscle way
but not the same.

So I'm ok with "elite" muscle going for 100-200k perhaps, but this
$500k-$1M+ is insane. IIRC there may have been a $2 or $3M Cuda sold....an
extremely rare 1 of 5, convertible with manual, etc. Silly.
Like the 250 GTO version of muscle.

The good news for muscle is that you can get more or less the same cars for a whole lot less if you're not obsessed with #s matching crap, original this
and that. There's no real stigma to doing modifications and what not to
these cars so long as you don't take them to the big auction houses.

I believe one could get a "normal" muscle car for $50-60k these days (less
probably) and do what they want.  A far cry for a vintage Ferrari.

FG
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