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Re: tie rods
From: tomgua [at] netzero.com (tomguanetzero.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) 
Tie rods are the same, but the steering rack bushings are usually the culprit 
for the steering play on a 308.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:19:01 -0700

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant (Peter Pless)
   2. Tie rod ends on 85 308 (Mark)
   3. Re: Tie rod ends on 85 308 (Sport Classic Comp)
   4. Re: Tie rod ends on 85 308 (Mark)
   5. Re: Tie rod ends on 85 308 (Sport Classic Comp)
   6. Re: Tie rod ends on 85 308 (Erik Nielsen)
   7. Re: Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant (Todd Walke)
   8. Re: Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant (Clyde Romero)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:19:52 +1100
From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
To: "'Doug & Terri'" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant
Message-ID: <007e01cfe4c7$8cd26fe0$a6774fa0$@pless.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Lucky for us Aussies, the propane based gas is legal and works as well as R12. 
134a runs at a much higher pressure than the system was designed for and is NOT 
as cold.

 

 

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] 
ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Doug & Terri
Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 2:30 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant

 

Clyde notes ?Every conversion to 134 is terrible because the condenser is not 
large enough on older cars?

 

Do Tell Clyde ? do tell.  ?Drop in? refrigerants to replace R12 run the array 
from illegal stuff with propane in it to legal stuff like 134a.  In an R12 
system, R134a doesn?t work so well.  Molecular size withstanding.  The systems 
have a real different configuration.  From physical location of components to 
the wide variation of system lubricants.  Besides ? getting ?good? R12 is 
harder and harder to find.  Most comes from older wrecked cars or (shudder) 
Mexico.  It is better than nothing but you?ll not expect vent temps in the 40?s 
from an R12 system with R134a in it.  Alas.  Or then, maybe I?m wrong ? 

DOUG

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:39:47 -0600
From: Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com>
To: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
Message-ID: <8uqaqs9an2ew7sktye8abi9a.1412973587204 [at] email.android.com>
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does anybody know if the inner and outer tie rods on a 85 308 are the same? I 
found a movie cross-reference but not sure if I need two different parts.


Thx
Mark

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:42:37 -0400
From: "Sport Classic Comp" <wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com>
To: "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
Message-ID: <83D53CC987BC44DDA19030B305755ED0@WadePC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

There are only tie rod ends, no inner or outer. 

tie rode ends 149199


and both sides are the same



Wade


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark 
  To: Wade 
  Cc: 'The FerrariList' 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:39 PM
  Subject: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308


  does anybody know if the inner and outer tie rods on a 85 308 are the same? I 
found a movie cross-reference but not sure if I need two different parts.




  Thx
  Mark


  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:53:16 -0600
From: "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
To: "'Sport Classic Comp'" <wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
Message-ID: <125501cfe4dc$faec9360$f0c5ba20$@308systems.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Wade, I just ordered some Moog ES2382 cross referenced tie rod ends 
since the Ferrari parts are hard to find

 

Mark

 

From: Sport Classic Comp [mailto:wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:43 PM
To: Mark
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308

 

There are only tie rod ends, no inner or outer. 

 

tie rode ends 149199

 

 

and both sides are the same

 

 

 

Wade

 

 

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From: Mark <mailto:misc [at] 308systems.com>  

To: Wade <mailto:wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com>  

Cc: 'The FerrariList' <mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>  

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:39 PM

Subject: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308

 

does anybody know if the inner and outer tie rods on a 85 308 are the same? I 
found a movie cross-reference but not sure if I need two different parts.

 

 

Thx

Mark

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:51:06 -0400
From: "Sport Classic Comp" <wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com>
To: "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
Message-ID: <840FB4E2299747B58E61B80ED887FB71@WadePC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Ferrari parts are not hard to find, it all depends on where  you look. I just 
ordered a set and had them in 2 days

$99.95 each retail



Wade


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark 
  To: 'Sport Classic Comp' 
  Cc: 'The FerrariList' 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:53 PM
  Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308


  Thanks Wade, I just ordered some Moog ES2382 cross referenced tie rod ends 
since the Ferrari parts are hard to find

   

  Mark

   

  From: Sport Classic Comp [mailto:wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com] 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:43 PM
  To: Mark
  Cc: 'The FerrariList'
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308

   

  There are only tie rod ends, no inner or outer. 

   

  tie rode ends 149199

   

   

  and both sides are the same

   

   

   

  Wade

   

   

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Mark 

    To: Wade 

    Cc: 'The FerrariList' 

    Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:39 PM

    Subject: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308

     

    does anybody know if the inner and outer tie rods on a 85 308 are the same? 
I found a movie cross-reference but not sure if I need two different parts.

     

     

    Thx

    Mark

     

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:57:12 -0500
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Sport Classic Comp <wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
Message-ID: <4104FB19-5D96-4192-BE65-8F10CE313D18 [at] gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchResult.asp?find=+&S=149199

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Sport Classic Comp <wade [at] 
> sportclassiccomp.com> wrote:
> 
> Ferrari parts are not hard to find, it all depends on where  you look. I just 
> ordered a set and had them in 2 days
>  
> $99.95 each retail
>  
>  
>  
> Wade
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark
> To: 'Sport Classic Comp'
> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
> 
> Thanks Wade, I just ordered some Moog ES2382 cross referenced tie rod ends 
> since the Ferrari parts are hard to find
>  
> Mark
>  
> From: Sport Classic Comp [mailto:wade [at] sportclassiccomp.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:43 PM
> To: Mark
> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
>  
> There are only tie rod ends, no inner or outer.
>  
> tie rode ends 149199
>  
>  
> and both sides are the same
>  
>  
>  
> Wade
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark
> To: Wade
> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:39 PM
> Subject: [Ferrari] Tie rod ends on 85 308
>  
> does anybody know if the inner and outer tie rods on a 85 308 are the same? I 
> found a movie cross-reference but not sure if I need two different parts.
>  
>  
> Thx
> Mark
>  
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:16:23 -0700
From: Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com>
To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20141010175238.007416e8 [at] mail.avvanta.com>
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         I know a bit about this subject as I've self-trained myself and 
now do all my own AC recharging and repair.

         There are a bunch of "commercial" refrigerants that are used in 
home refrigerators, industrial AC units, etc.  R22, R408, R410 and a bunch 
more.
         The problem with using them in an auto A/C system is that an AC 
system is designed for use with a specific refrigerant.  Each refrigerant 
has properties like how much heat they'll "soak up", working pressures, oil 
requirements, etc.  Just dumping in any old refrigerant generally will not 
work well - wrong pressures, wrong size of condenser, wrong size expansion 
valve or TVX valve, etc.  The desiccant material in the drier must be 
compatible with the refrigerant as well.  This is why just putting R134a in 
a R12 system doesn't work as well - R134a needs different sized components 
to work properly.

         Some "replacement R-12" refrigerants do contain propane or 
butane.  Both work fine as a refrigerant, but are highly flammable if they 
leak.

         I've helped out a few people with R-12 systems and I always 
recommend staying with R-12.  The system was designed for that refrigerant 
and will work best with R-12.

         R-12 cans can be had on eBay, that's where I buy mine.  14oz cans 
runs around $25-35 or so.  Per eBay rules you either have to have an EPA 
609 licence or must sign a statement declaring that you are buying the cans 
in order to transfer them to a licensed technician.  Most sellers will 
require one or the other.

         Does it take weeks of study and hundreds of dollars to get a EPA 
609 cert?  Nope.  Go to http://www.epatest.com/609/ , pay your $19.95, read 
the study guide then take an open book exam.  So easy, even a Porsche 
driver can do it!
         Once you have a license you can legally buy your own R-12 and then 
find a tech to charge up or top off your system.
         Also, some auto parts stores can order R-12 for you if you show 
them your 609 cert.


Todd
Seattle,WA
'86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles
'01 Golf TDI, silver.   (new work car)       488,000 miles
'87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car)   654,000 miles <- Gone to a new 
home :(
http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:18:57 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Partial FC: Commercial A/C refrigerant
Message-ID: <B79EA754-6FD2-4D27-AB36-54D20DC621B5 [at] bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thank you
Theses guys done understand that the system has to be made for a R134 system in 
order to work

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> On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com> wrote:
> 
>        I know a bit about this subject as I've self-trained myself and now do 
> all my own AC recharging and repair.
> 
>        There are a bunch of "commercial" refrigerants that are used in home 
> refrigerators, industrial AC units, etc.  R22, R408, R410 and a bunch more.
>        The problem with using them in an auto A/C system is that an AC system 
> is designed for use with a specific refrigerant.  Each refrigerant has 
> properties like how much heat they'll "soak up", working pressures, oil 
> requirements, etc.  Just dumping in any old refrigerant generally will not 
> work well - wrong pressures, wrong size of condenser, wrong size expansion 
> valve or TVX valve, etc.  The desiccant material in the drier must be 
> compatible with the refrigerant as well.  This is why just putting R134a in a 
> R12 system doesn't work as well - R134a needs different sized components to 
> work properly.
> 
>        Some "replacement R-12" refrigerants do contain propane or butane.  
> Both work fine as a refrigerant, but are highly flammable if they leak.
> 
>        I've helped out a few people with R-12 systems and I always recommend 
> staying with R-12.  The system was designed for that refrigerant and will 
> work best with R-12.
> 
>        R-12 cans can be had on eBay, that's where I buy mine.  14oz cans runs 
> around $25-35 or so.  Per eBay rules you either have to have an EPA 609 
> licence or must sign a statement declaring that you are buying the cans in 
> order to transfer them to a licensed technician.  Most sellers will require 
> one or the other.
> 
>        Does it take weeks of study and hundreds of dollars to get a EPA 609 
> cert?  Nope.  Go to http://www.epatest.com/609/ , pay your $19.95, read the 
> study guide then take an open book exam.  So easy, even a Porsche driver can 
> do it!
>        Once you have a license you can legally buy your own R-12 and then 
> find a tech to charge up or top off your system.
>        Also, some auto parts stores can order R-12 for you if you show them 
> your 609 cert.
> 
> 
> Todd
> Seattle,WA
> '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles
> '01 Golf TDI, silver.   (new work car)       488,000 miles
> '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car)   654,000 miles <- Gone to a new 
> home :(
> http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff
> 
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