Ferrari Mailing List: Watch

It is a work of art.

I rarely wear a watch now, although I do own a few Rolexs and some other 

luxury watches!

----- Original Message ----- 

From: <ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com>

To: "Skip" <da-rolls [at] comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:40 AM
Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 99, Issue 54

Send Ferrari mailing list submissions to
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com

You can reach the person managing the list at
ferrari-owner [at] ferrarilist.com

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Ferrari digest..."

Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Phillipe Patek Image (Rick Moseley)
  2. OT - Update on Rick's purchas (Rick Lindsay)
  3. Re: OT - Update on Rick's purchas (Matt Boyd)
  4. Re: OT - Update on Rick's purchas (Erik Nielsen)
  5. Re: OT - Update on Rick's purchas (Matt Boyd)
  6. Re: OT - Update on Rick's purchas (bglarson [at] transystems.com)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:30:48 -0700
From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LarryT <L02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Phillipe Patek Image
Message-ID: <2491ACF0-8CA6-4531-9D10-2ADF75A246FA [at] pacbell.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

For years I wore a watch everyday... Since 5th or 6th grade.  I don't know 

why but the day my wife died I just stopped wearing watches.  It's been 9 

years now.  But being an engineer ya just gotta love pictures like these. 

Yeah, it was probably designed on a computer and perhaps some level of CNC 

was used in its production.  But the concept came from someone's head and 

being that intricate it was assembled by someone's hands... Elegant 

engineering!  I still love it when man and machine come together like 

this.   Thanks!

Rick

On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:54 AM, LarryT <L02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

I know there are some watch lovers on the list -- hope you enjoy this 

photo -

<a_726_20140729120440.jpg>
_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ramosel%40pacbell.net

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:50:56 -0500
From: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
To: Ferrari List <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas
Message-ID: <xn4pv4g2x2wdm5ryhrjpk2ut.1413463856132 [at] email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Morning Friends,

I now own 10 cars, 8 of which are of particular interest. They are varied 

marques and styles of cars - a point many marque-specific guys can't seem 

to understand. Point is, I'm not a Ferrari guy, or a Triumph guy, or... 

I'm a machine guy, and old cars top the list of my interests.

A friend on the Triumph TR3 list wrote,

Rick, don't worry about "the wedge"
in the garage...they get along very
well with TR's...

Harmony in the garage is very important. Side by side, my two TRs make for 

quite a contrast. That's a Triumph TR3 next to a Testarossa. :-P And 

contrasts keep life interesting.?

John went on to write,

My TR7 "wedge" is very happy next
to the TR2, and they are so different,
that it makes for? great conversasions.????

Personally, I really like the TR7 and TR8. In fact, when I went searching 

for the next late, great project, I started out looking for a Triumph 

'wedge', of either 7 or 8 fame. Failing in that search, or perhaps because 

I became distracted, my quest turned toward a Lotus Europa. Having 

previously owned an S2 Europa with Renault power, I searched specifically 

for a Lotus-Ford TwinCam powered car. I found either total basket cases 

with damaged fiberglass and broken drivetrains, or overpriced running 

examples ranging from 'drivers' to show cars. CG's response to my 

frustration was, "How about an early Esprit?" That car was not even on my 

radar.

My quest changed but my budget didn't. I found a quite rare '79 Esprit 

'John Player Special' in dreadful but complete and undamaged condition. 

Hadn't turned over in decades, but the price was a little steep, 

considering that it needed everything - plus a year or two of work. This 

isn't my first rodeo so I know what a restoration costs, even to 'just 

usable' status. And that cost can double with a limited production exotic! 

I passed on the JPS but by then, I was firmly on the search for an 

Esprit.?

At the outset of the search, I joined the early Esprit e-mail list. That's 

where I found the JPS car, which has since been purchased buy a guy with 

the means to restore it correctly. I have no clue as to what it will be 

worth when he is done, but that's not the point. Of greater importance is 

that a rare car (about 100 made) will be saved from parts-car status, or 

worse.

Shortly after declining the JPS car, a long-time Lotus owner and expert 

restorer offered to me his restored '78 Esprit. That car too is acceptably 

rare, with only 474 cars (hand) made in 1978. The restoration is about a 

decade old but the work was done expertly and has been treated with TLC 

ever since. What the car needed, and still needs today, is a thorough 

exterior cleaning, polishing and waxing, plus tires and the routine 

maintenance brought up to date. It appears that the PO's interest in the 

car declined and it was left unused in dry storage for over a year. About 

6 months ago it was driven but performed poorly thanks to quite old fuel 

and probably a bit of gum buildup in the carburetors. At not quite twice 

the price of the JPS, this normally aspirated '78 Esprit S2 is the car 

that I bought.

So in my immediate future are numerous maintenance steps. None the least 

of these are draining (pumping) any remaining old fuel, flushing the fuel 

lines, and probably rebuilding a pair of Dellorto carburetors. (The 

Dellorto side draught carburettors are quite similar to and interchangable 

with, Weber 45DCOEs, and are of similar quality devices.) They are easily 

rebuildable and ultimately tunable. ?Of course, also in the queue are 

replacing all fluids, new hoses and ancillary belts. An A/C recharge, if 

not rebuild, is almost a certainty. Fortunately, Houston's weather has 

cooled a bit so that can wait.

Granted, this note and the whole theme is 'off topic' but that never 

stopped us before. I'll share a few pictures and stories, and hopefully no 

horror stories, all in limited quantity, once the car arrives.

We now rejoin your regularly scheduled program, already in progess.

-rick
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...

URL: 

<http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20141016/de7de50b/attachment.html>

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:41:35 -0400
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas
Message-ID:
<CABbg3pyyZ_fYwC575Fez8G+szYXHaGN05VApGvOgxmHkKqHkng [at] mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Rick,

I'll continue in the slightly OT vein and just say I'm a little
jealous. I'm missing two ingredients that you have right now, and that
is time and money. I'm aiming hard though to emulate your hobby in
another 15 years when I retire, as my current cashflow goes towards
retirement savings, college savings, everyday life, and a monthly
Tesla payment. All that said, everything is set up so that when I turn
about 59, everything will be paid off, I'll be retired, and the kids
will be out of the house. The retirement fund will enable me to
fulfill the hobby just like you are.

We are very alike in our makeup regarding the toy hobby, even if not
exactly the same tastes. I have no allegiances. I've had two Ferraris
(one you know well), a Jag (XJR), two Rolls-Royces (88 Spur and now a
39 Phantom-III with a sweet V12), a Bentley Turbo R (from former
lister Dave Quick), still have my 57 Chevy I bought 28 years ago when
I was 16, the Model S P85 as our daily driver, used to have a 78 MB
450SEL as a backup daily driver up until last year, and then the more
mundane 91 Volvo 940 Turbo I'm still keeping for my son who turns 16
in a few months, the 04 minivan, and George Parker's 04 Jetta TDI
wagon. All have their place. I still have on my list a desire for a
free-flow exhaust American muscle car, a little British sportscar (not
anytime soon so I have plenty time to thnk about what that'll be), and
I could go on...and on...but it'll be several years before I can start
"being like Rick."

Keep us posted.

-Matt
85 euro 308
39 rr p-iii
57 bel air
13 model s p85
91 volvo 940 turbo
04 jetta tdi wagon
04 sienna xle limited awd (SWEEET!)
99 bounder 36s

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> 

wrote:

Morning Friends,

I now own 10 cars, 8 of which are of particular interest. They are varied

marques and styles of cars - a point many marque-specific guys can't seem 

to

understand. Point is, I'm not a Ferrari guy, or a Triumph guy, or... I'm 

a

machine guy, and old cars top the list of my interests.

A friend on the Triumph TR3 list wrote,

Rick, don't worry about "the wedge"
in the garage...they get along very
well with TR's...

Harmony in the garage is very important. Side by side, my two TRs make 

for

quite a contrast. That's a Triumph TR3 next to a Testarossa. :-P And
contrasts keep life interesting.

John went on to write,

My TR7 "wedge" is very happy next
to the TR2, and they are so different,
that it makes for  great conversasions.

Personally, I really like the TR7 and TR8. In fact, when I went searching
for the next late, great project, I started out looking for a Triumph

'wedge', of either 7 or 8 fame. Failing in that search, or perhaps 

because I

became distracted, my quest turned toward a Lotus Europa. Having 

previously

owned an S2 Europa with Renault power, I searched specifically for a
Lotus-Ford TwinCam powered car. I found either total basket cases with
damaged fiberglass and broken drivetrains, or overpriced running examples
ranging from 'drivers' to show cars. CG's response to my frustration was,
"How about an early Esprit?" That car was not even on my radar.

My quest changed but my budget didn't. I found a quite rare '79 Esprit 

'John

Player Special' in dreadful but complete and undamaged condition. Hadn't

turned over in decades, but the price was a little steep, considering 

that

it needed everything - plus a year or two of work. This isn't my first 

rodeo

so I know what a restoration costs, even to 'just usable' status. And 

that

cost can double with a limited production exotic! I passed on the JPS but 

by

then, I was firmly on the search for an Esprit.

At the outset of the search, I joined the early Esprit e-mail list. 

That's

where I found the JPS car, which has since been purchased buy a guy with 

the

means to restore it correctly. I have no clue as to what it will be worth

when he is done, but that's not the point. Of greater importance is that 

a

rare car (about 100 made) will be saved from parts-car status, or worse.

Shortly after declining the JPS car, a long-time Lotus owner and expert

restorer offered to me his restored '78 Esprit. That car too is 

acceptably

rare, with only 474 cars (hand) made in 1978. The restoration is about a

decade old but the work was done expertly and has been treated with TLC 

ever

since. What the car needed, and still needs today, is a thorough exterior
cleaning, polishing and waxing, plus tires and the routine maintenance
brought up to date. It appears that the PO's interest in the car declined

and it was left unused in dry storage for over a year. About 6 months ago 

it

was driven but performed poorly thanks to quite old fuel and probably a 

bit

of gum buildup in the carburetors. At not quite twice the price of the 

JPS,

this normally aspirated '78 Esprit S2 is the car that I bought.

So in my immediate future are numerous maintenance steps. None the least 

of

these are draining (pumping) any remaining old fuel, flushing the fuel

lines, and probably rebuilding a pair of Dellorto carburetors. (The 

Dellorto

side draught carburettors are quite similar to and interchangable with,
Weber 45DCOEs, and are of similar quality devices.) They are easily
rebuildable and ultimately tunable.  Of course, also in the queue are

replacing all fluids, new hoses and ancillary belts. An A/C recharge, if 

not

rebuild, is almost a certainty. Fortunately, Houston's weather has cooled 

a

bit so that can wait.

Granted, this note and the whole theme is 'off topic' but that never 

stopped

us before. I'll share a few pictures and stories, and hopefully no horror
stories, all in limited quantity, once the car arrives.

We now rejoin your regularly scheduled program, already in progess.

-rick

_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ferrari308driver%40gmail.com

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:16:14 -0500
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas
Message-ID:
<CAHG_vKhWskkSEq=nYm+onQYe2AeCNyU5_GQJkzvsgZaFdN5mug [at] mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

We're up to seven cars here, still Ferrari at the core of the fleet but no
desire to get another one at today's prices.  I've got a good mix where I
don't have any two cars trying to do the same thing.  What is still
"missing" is a nice LWB Rolls Royce of some vintage, it will be an SZ car,
but I'm waiting for the right one.  Beyond that, disposable daily drivers.

'14 Fiat 500L Trekking
'12 Fiat 500 Prima Edizione
'88 Bentley Mulsanne S
'83 Ferrari 308 GTS QV
'82 Ferrari Mondial 8
'75 Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2
'74 Mercedes 450SL

And the Royce would be different enough from the Bentley with no overlap.

Erik

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

Rick,

I'll continue in the slightly OT vein and just say I'm a little
jealous. I'm missing two ingredients that you have right now, and that
is time and money. I'm aiming hard though to emulate your hobby in
another 15 years when I retire, as my current cashflow goes towards
retirement savings, college savings, everyday life, and a monthly
Tesla payment. All that said, everything is set up so that when I turn
about 59, everything will be paid off, I'll be retired, and the kids
will be out of the house. The retirement fund will enable me to
fulfill the hobby just like you are.

We are very alike in our makeup regarding the toy hobby, even if not
exactly the same tastes. I have no allegiances. I've had two Ferraris
(one you know well), a Jag (XJR), two Rolls-Royces (88 Spur and now a
39 Phantom-III with a sweet V12), a Bentley Turbo R (from former
lister Dave Quick), still have my 57 Chevy I bought 28 years ago when
I was 16, the Model S P85 as our daily driver, used to have a 78 MB
450SEL as a backup daily driver up until last year, and then the more
mundane 91 Volvo 940 Turbo I'm still keeping for my son who turns 16
in a few months, the 04 minivan, and George Parker's 04 Jetta TDI
wagon. All have their place. I still have on my list a desire for a
free-flow exhaust American muscle car, a little British sportscar (not
anytime soon so I have plenty time to thnk about what that'll be), and
I could go on...and on...but it'll be several years before I can start
"being like Rick."

Keep us posted.

-Matt
85 euro 308
39 rr p-iii
57 bel air
13 model s p85
91 volvo 940 turbo
04 jetta tdi wagon
04 sienna xle limited awd (SWEEET!)
99 bounder 36s

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
> Morning Friends,
>

> I now own 10 cars, 8 of which are of particular interest. They are 

> varied

> marques and styles of cars - a point many marque-specific guys can't
seem to

> understand. Point is, I'm not a Ferrari guy, or a Triumph guy, or... 

> I'm

a
> machine guy, and old cars top the list of my interests.
>
> A friend on the Triumph TR3 list wrote,
>
>> Rick, don't worry about "the wedge"
>> in the garage...they get along very
>> well with TR's...
>
> Harmony in the garage is very important. Side by side, my two TRs make
for
> quite a contrast. That's a Triumph TR3 next to a Testarossa. :-P And
> contrasts keep life interesting.
>
> John went on to write,
>
>> My TR7 "wedge" is very happy next
>> to the TR2, and they are so different,
>> that it makes for  great conversasions.
>

> Personally, I really like the TR7 and TR8. In fact, when I went 

> searching

> for the next late, great project, I started out looking for a Triumph
> 'wedge', of either 7 or 8 fame. Failing in that search, or perhaps
because I
> became distracted, my quest turned toward a Lotus Europa. Having
previously
> owned an S2 Europa with Renault power, I searched specifically for a
> Lotus-Ford TwinCam powered car. I found either total basket cases with

> damaged fiberglass and broken drivetrains, or overpriced running 

> examples

> ranging from 'drivers' to show cars. CG's response to my frustration 

> was,

> "How about an early Esprit?" That car was not even on my radar.
>
> My quest changed but my budget didn't. I found a quite rare '79 Esprit
'John

> Player Special' in dreadful but complete and undamaged condition. 

> Hadn't

> turned over in decades, but the price was a little steep, considering
that
> it needed everything - plus a year or two of work. This isn't my first
rodeo
> so I know what a restoration costs, even to 'just usable' status. And
that
> cost can double with a limited production exotic! I passed on the JPS
but by
> then, I was firmly on the search for an Esprit.
>
> At the outset of the search, I joined the early Esprit e-mail list.
That's

> where I found the JPS car, which has since been purchased buy a guy 

> with

the

> means to restore it correctly. I have no clue as to what it will be 

> worth

> when he is done, but that's not the point. Of greater importance is 

> that

a

> rare car (about 100 made) will be saved from parts-car status, or 

> worse.

>
> Shortly after declining the JPS car, a long-time Lotus owner and expert
> restorer offered to me his restored '78 Esprit. That car too is
acceptably

> rare, with only 474 cars (hand) made in 1978. The restoration is about 

> a

> decade old but the work was done expertly and has been treated with TLC
ever

> since. What the car needed, and still needs today, is a thorough 

> exterior

> cleaning, polishing and waxing, plus tires and the routine maintenance

> brought up to date. It appears that the PO's interest in the car 

> declined

> and it was left unused in dry storage for over a year. About 6 months
ago it
> was driven but performed poorly thanks to quite old fuel and probably a
bit
> of gum buildup in the carburetors. At not quite twice the price of the
JPS,
> this normally aspirated '78 Esprit S2 is the car that I bought.
>

> So in my immediate future are numerous maintenance steps. None the 

> least

of
> these are draining (pumping) any remaining old fuel, flushing the fuel
> lines, and probably rebuilding a pair of Dellorto carburetors. (The
Dellorto
> side draught carburettors are quite similar to and interchangable with,
> Weber 45DCOEs, and are of similar quality devices.) They are easily
> rebuildable and ultimately tunable.  Of course, also in the queue are

> replacing all fluids, new hoses and ancillary belts. An A/C recharge, 

> if

not
> rebuild, is almost a certainty. Fortunately, Houston's weather has
cooled a
> bit so that can wait.
>
> Granted, this note and the whole theme is 'off topic' but that never
stopped

> us before. I'll share a few pictures and stories, and hopefully no 

> horror

> stories, all in limited quantity, once the car arrives.
>
> We now rejoin your regularly scheduled program, already in progess.
>
> -rick
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
>
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ferrari308driver%40gmail.com
>
> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> and F1 Headlines
> http://www.F1Headlines.com/
>
_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/judge4re%40gmail.com

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...

URL: 

<http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20141016/0951475f/attachment.html>

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:20:38 -0400
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
To: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas
Message-ID:
<CABbg3pzx9OpcAR5Kv_7XP1tPyH7+AWsKFB0GYxedAnrdD4uumg [at] mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Erik,

My WHOLE list is way too long, but I will tell you that on it is a
Phantom-V or Phantom-VI. To have a big huge car with good climate
control and really neat amenities in the back would be a really cool
family road-trip car. Probably won't get one, but given the budget it
would be a no-brainer.

-Matt

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

We're up to seven cars here, still Ferrari at the core of the fleet but 

no

desire to get another one at today's prices.  I've got a good mix where I
don't have any two cars trying to do the same thing.  What is still

"missing" is a nice LWB Rolls Royce of some vintage, it will be an SZ 

car,

but I'm waiting for the right one.  Beyond that, disposable daily 

drivers.

'14 Fiat 500L Trekking
'12 Fiat 500 Prima Edizione
'88 Bentley Mulsanne S
'83 Ferrari 308 GTS QV
'82 Ferrari Mondial 8
'75 Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2
'74 Mercedes 450SL

And the Royce would be different enough from the Bentley with no overlap.

Erik

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

Rick,

I'll continue in the slightly OT vein and just say I'm a little
jealous. I'm missing two ingredients that you have right now, and that
is time and money. I'm aiming hard though to emulate your hobby in
another 15 years when I retire, as my current cashflow goes towards
retirement savings, college savings, everyday life, and a monthly
Tesla payment. All that said, everything is set up so that when I turn
about 59, everything will be paid off, I'll be retired, and the kids
will be out of the house. The retirement fund will enable me to
fulfill the hobby just like you are.

We are very alike in our makeup regarding the toy hobby, even if not
exactly the same tastes. I have no allegiances. I've had two Ferraris
(one you know well), a Jag (XJR), two Rolls-Royces (88 Spur and now a
39 Phantom-III with a sweet V12), a Bentley Turbo R (from former
lister Dave Quick), still have my 57 Chevy I bought 28 years ago when
I was 16, the Model S P85 as our daily driver, used to have a 78 MB
450SEL as a backup daily driver up until last year, and then the more
mundane 91 Volvo 940 Turbo I'm still keeping for my son who turns 16
in a few months, the 04 minivan, and George Parker's 04 Jetta TDI
wagon. All have their place. I still have on my list a desire for a
free-flow exhaust American muscle car, a little British sportscar (not
anytime soon so I have plenty time to thnk about what that'll be), and
I could go on...and on...but it'll be several years before I can start
"being like Rick."

Keep us posted.

-Matt
85 euro 308
39 rr p-iii
57 bel air
13 model s p85
91 volvo 940 turbo
04 jetta tdi wagon
04 sienna xle limited awd (SWEEET!)
99 bounder 36s

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Rick Lindsay 

<richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>

wrote:
> Morning Friends,
>
> I now own 10 cars, 8 of which are of particular interest. They are
> varied
> marques and styles of cars - a point many marque-specific guys can't
> seem to

> understand. Point is, I'm not a Ferrari guy, or a Triumph guy, or... 

> I'm

> a
> machine guy, and old cars top the list of my interests.
>
> A friend on the Triumph TR3 list wrote,
>
>> Rick, don't worry about "the wedge"
>> in the garage...they get along very
>> well with TR's...
>
> Harmony in the garage is very important. Side by side, my two TRs make
> for
> quite a contrast. That's a Triumph TR3 next to a Testarossa. :-P And
> contrasts keep life interesting.
>
> John went on to write,
>
>> My TR7 "wedge" is very happy next
>> to the TR2, and they are so different,
>> that it makes for  great conversasions.
>
> Personally, I really like the TR7 and TR8. In fact, when I went
> searching
> for the next late, great project, I started out looking for a Triumph
> 'wedge', of either 7 or 8 fame. Failing in that search, or perhaps
> because I
> became distracted, my quest turned toward a Lotus Europa. Having
> previously
> owned an S2 Europa with Renault power, I searched specifically for a
> Lotus-Ford TwinCam powered car. I found either total basket cases with
> damaged fiberglass and broken drivetrains, or overpriced running
> examples
> ranging from 'drivers' to show cars. CG's response to my frustration
> was,
> "How about an early Esprit?" That car was not even on my radar.
>
> My quest changed but my budget didn't. I found a quite rare '79 Esprit
> 'John

> Player Special' in dreadful but complete and undamaged condition. 

> Hadn't

> turned over in decades, but the price was a little steep, considering
> that
> it needed everything - plus a year or two of work. This isn't my first
> rodeo
> so I know what a restoration costs, even to 'just usable' status. And
> that
> cost can double with a limited production exotic! I passed on the JPS
> but by
> then, I was firmly on the search for an Esprit.
>
> At the outset of the search, I joined the early Esprit e-mail list.
> That's

> where I found the JPS car, which has since been purchased buy a guy 

> with

> the
> means to restore it correctly. I have no clue as to what it will be
> worth

> when he is done, but that's not the point. Of greater importance is 

> that

> a

> rare car (about 100 made) will be saved from parts-car status, or 

> worse.

>

> Shortly after declining the JPS car, a long-time Lotus owner and 

> expert

> restorer offered to me his restored '78 Esprit. That car too is
> acceptably

> rare, with only 474 cars (hand) made in 1978. The restoration is about 

> a

> decade old but the work was done expertly and has been treated with 

> TLC

> ever
> since. What the car needed, and still needs today, is a thorough
> exterior
> cleaning, polishing and waxing, plus tires and the routine maintenance
> brought up to date. It appears that the PO's interest in the car
> declined
> and it was left unused in dry storage for over a year. About 6 months
> ago it

> was driven but performed poorly thanks to quite old fuel and probably 

> a

> bit
> of gum buildup in the carburetors. At not quite twice the price of the
> JPS,
> this normally aspirated '78 Esprit S2 is the car that I bought.
>

> So in my immediate future are numerous maintenance steps. None the 

> least

> of
> these are draining (pumping) any remaining old fuel, flushing the fuel
> lines, and probably rebuilding a pair of Dellorto carburetors. (The
> Dellorto

> side draught carburettors are quite similar to and interchangable 

> with,

> Weber 45DCOEs, and are of similar quality devices.) They are easily
> rebuildable and ultimately tunable.  Of course, also in the queue are

> replacing all fluids, new hoses and ancillary belts. An A/C recharge, 

> if

> not
> rebuild, is almost a certainty. Fortunately, Houston's weather has
> cooled a
> bit so that can wait.
>
> Granted, this note and the whole theme is 'off topic' but that never
> stopped
> us before. I'll share a few pictures and stories, and hopefully no
> horror
> stories, all in limited quantity, once the car arrives.
>
> We now rejoin your regularly scheduled program, already in progess.
>
> -rick
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
>
> 
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ferrari308driver%40gmail.com
>
> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> and F1 Headlines
> http://www.F1Headlines.com/
>
_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/judge4re%40gmail.com

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:40:58 +0000
From: <bglarson [at] transystems.com>
To: <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas
Message-ID:
<34B4E3CCA245AB45B523197BF32DA5AC18D444C1 [at] HQ-Exchange2.a-e.transyscorp.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Gents:

I'm largely an interested lurker on the list, but this topic hits home 

with me.  I am on the cusp of retirement and have managed to indulge in my 

appetite for cars over the past seven or eight years to add to my 69 

Z/28RS which I have enjoyed for 32 years.  Now the list totals 11 cars 

including 2 drivers (me and the mrs), one track car and the rest being 

taken out regularly but always only for fun. The marques are Chevy(1), 

Ford(1), Ferrari(1), Pontiac(1), Porsche(1), BMW(6), 50/50 mix of 1960-70s 

cars and 2000 era cars.

My garaging is a fright, something I manage between lifts Ive installed, 

friend's garages, and rental storage from fellow enthusiasts who have 

bought a warehouse.  I would be interested and appreciative of hearing 

what others have done when they find themselves in the spot of waking up 

and deciding they want to drive one of their beloved cars but forgot which 

parking spot they left it in.  I realize the potential for humor here, and 

that's ok too, but I am sensing the need to forge a direction that doesn't 

involve a shotgun.  Thanks Brian

-----Original Message-----

From: Ferrari 

[mailto:ferrari-bounces+bglarson=transystems.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On 

Behalf Of Matt Boyd

Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:42 AM
To: HQ-Brian Larson
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - Update on Rick's purchas

Rick,

I'll continue in the slightly OT vein and just say I'm a little jealous. 

I'm missing two ingredients that you have right now, and that is time and 

money. I'm aiming hard though to emulate your hobby in another 15 years 

when I retire, as my current cashflow goes towards retirement savings, 

college savings, everyday life, and a monthly Tesla payment. All that 

said, everything is set up so that when I turn about 59, everything will 

be paid off, I'll be retired, and the kids will be out of the house. The 

retirement fund will enable me to fulfill the hobby just like you are.

We are very alike in our makeup regarding the toy hobby, even if not 

exactly the same tastes. I have no allegiances. I've had two Ferraris (one 

you know well), a Jag (XJR), two Rolls-Royces (88 Spur and now a

39 Phantom-III with a sweet V12), a Bentley Turbo R (from former lister 

Dave Quick), still have my 57 Chevy I bought 28 years ago when I was 16, 

the Model S P85 as our daily driver, used to have a 78 MB 450SEL as a 

backup daily driver up until last year, and then the more mundane 91 Volvo 

940 Turbo I'm still keeping for my son who turns 16 in a few months, the 

04 minivan, and George Parker's 04 Jetta TDI wagon. All have their place. 

I still have on my list a desire for a free-flow exhaust American muscle 

car, a little British sportscar (not anytime soon so I have plenty time to 

thnk about what that'll be), and I could go on...and on...but it'll be 

several years before I can start "being like Rick."

Keep us posted.

-Matt
85 euro 308
39 rr p-iii
57 bel air
13 model s p85
91 volvo 940 turbo
04 jetta tdi wagon
04 sienna xle limited awd (SWEEET!)
99 bounder 36s

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> 

wrote:

Morning Friends,

I now own 10 cars, 8 of which are of particular interest. They are
varied marques and styles of cars - a point many marque-specific guys
can't seem to understand. Point is, I'm not a Ferrari guy, or a

Triumph guy, or... I'm a machine guy, and old cars top the list of my 

interests.

A friend on the Triumph TR3 list wrote,

Rick, don't worry about "the wedge"
in the garage...they get along very
well with TR's...

Harmony in the garage is very important. Side by side, my two TRs make
for quite a contrast. That's a Triumph TR3 next to a Testarossa. :-P
And contrasts keep life interesting.

John went on to write,

My TR7 "wedge" is very happy next
to the TR2, and they are so different, that it makes for  great
conversasions.

Personally, I really like the TR7 and TR8. In fact, when I went
searching for the next late, great project, I started out looking for
a Triumph 'wedge', of either 7 or 8 fame. Failing in that search, or
perhaps because I became distracted, my quest turned toward a Lotus
Europa. Having previously owned an S2 Europa with Renault power, I
searched specifically for a Lotus-Ford TwinCam powered car. I found
either total basket cases with damaged fiberglass and broken
drivetrains, or overpriced running examples ranging from 'drivers' to

show cars. CG's response to my frustration was, "How about an early 

Esprit?" That car was not even on my radar.

My quest changed but my budget didn't. I found a quite rare '79 Esprit
'John Player Special' in dreadful but complete and undamaged
condition. Hadn't turned over in decades, but the price was a little
steep, considering that it needed everything - plus a year or two of
work. This isn't my first rodeo so I know what a restoration costs,
even to 'just usable' status. And that cost can double with a limited

production exotic! I passed on the JPS but by then, I was firmly on the 

search for an Esprit.

At the outset of the search, I joined the early Esprit e-mail list.
That's where I found the JPS car, which has since been purchased buy a
guy with the means to restore it correctly. I have no clue as to what
it will be worth when he is done, but that's not the point. Of greater

importance is that a rare car (about 100 made) will be saved from 

parts-car status, or worse.

Shortly after declining the JPS car, a long-time Lotus owner and
expert restorer offered to me his restored '78 Esprit. That car too is
acceptably rare, with only 474 cars (hand) made in 1978. The
restoration is about a decade old but the work was done expertly and
has been treated with TLC ever since. What the car needed, and still
needs today, is a thorough exterior cleaning, polishing and waxing,
plus tires and the routine maintenance brought up to date. It appears
that the PO's interest in the car declined and it was left unused in
dry storage for over a year. About 6 months ago it was driven but
performed poorly thanks to quite old fuel and probably a bit of gum

buildup in the carburetors. At not quite twice the price of the JPS, this 

normally aspirated '78 Esprit S2 is the car that I bought.

So in my immediate future are numerous maintenance steps. None the
least of these are draining (pumping) any remaining old fuel, flushing
the fuel lines, and probably rebuilding a pair of Dellorto
carburetors. (The Dellorto side draught carburettors are quite similar
to and interchangable with, Weber 45DCOEs, and are of similar quality
devices.) They are easily rebuildable and ultimately tunable.  Of
course, also in the queue are replacing all fluids, new hoses and
ancillary belts. An A/C recharge, if not rebuild, is almost a

certainty. Fortunately, Houston's weather has cooled a bit so that can 

wait.

Granted, this note and the whole theme is 'off topic' but that never
stopped us before. I'll share a few pictures and stories, and

hopefully no horror stories, all in limited quantity, once the car 

arrives.

We now rejoin your regularly scheduled program, already in progess.

-rick

_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ferrari308driver%
40gmail.com

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/bglarson%40transystems.com

Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
and F1 Headlines
http://www.F1Headlines.com/

------------------------------

Subject: Digest Footer

_________________________________________________________________
To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari

------------------------------

End of Ferrari Digest, Vol 99, Issue 54

*************************************** 

Watch	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Craig Williamson (da-rollscomcast.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:36:23 -0700 (PDT)