Re: NEEEED!
From: Grahame Reinthal (grahamereinthal.com.au)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 15:50:01 -0700 (PDT)

Interesting conversation as I just start to prepare to downsize. I want to go from lots of bedrooms + office, etcetera and garaging for a few cars down to a few bedrooms and garaging for lots of cars!  By the way, I found this comparison by country of average home sizes…

 

                              Sq.          Sq.

m            feet

 

HK                         45           484

Russia                   57           614

China                    60           646

UK                         76           818

Italy                      81           872

Sweden                83           893

Japan                    95           1023

Spain                    97           1044

Germany              109        1173

France                  112        1206

Greece                 126        1356

Denmark              137        1475

Canada                181        1948

USA                       201        2164

Australia              214        2303

 

Cheers,

Grahame

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+grahame=reinthal.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2015 8:24 AM
To: Grahame <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NEEEED!

 

My favorite _expression_ about golf is what my German colleagues taught me.

 

Golf is a game for men who have stopped sleeping with their wives. 


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On Sep 10, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Precisely Dr. E!

 

I live in the low Sierras and I'm just outside (literally, my 1/4 mile driveway ends at their back fence) one of those "hoity-toity" neighborhoods where the HOA fees are bigger than most people's house payment... then they have to build a house with a minimum footprint of 5000sq/ft.   There is one behemoth up but back on the ridge that's 16,000 sq/ft... and his view  of the high Sierras pales compared to mine.   I cringe when I hear what their monthly's are... and even if they have a zero mortgage they still have to pay HOA fees that would swamp most budgets... for the rest of their days.  Oh, but they do get to knock a little white ball around and chase it for less money that the average Joe.   I prefer to recreate with a mill and a welder.

 

Rick

 


From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: "ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NEEEED!

 

What's a mortgage?  You mean people don't pay cash for houses?  Guess I've screwed up...

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On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Dang, my garage is bigger than that.... and I'm getting ready to build another.

 

But, for me its not the size of the house, but the mortgage.   Having a zero mortgage is the greatest of feelings.  I can't tell you what a relief it is to have no house payment on the last two homes.   Call me a prepper if you want, but I'm getting ready to put huge solar/generator project into motion with 4 days of autonomy with no sunlight....  3 Tesla cells...   then I can tell the power company to pound sand.  I'll be grid tied but not dependent.   Septic, well...  now if I can just get a fracking site on the mountain side for fuel.  If not, I have 20,000 trees.

 

Rick

 


From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: "ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NEEEED!

 

Same here. We’re at 2200 sq ft and still have one bedroom that we don’t need – it ends up as a big closet. More space is just more to clean, more to heat and cool, more to fill with stuff we don’t really need. She’d rather have a big barn and a small house and I’d rather have a big garage and a small house. So far she’s winning, but at least I have my office warehouse for cars… J

 

She’s actually pretty fascinated with the tiny house movement (like 4-800 sq ft), but I don’t see that working with two of us and five big dogs.

 

 

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:44 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NEEEED!

 

That's what mine is, not counting the screened in porch and the four car garage.  Perfect for our needs.

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

Yep you are correct 

The 2400 Sq ft house is the deal 

Clyde Romero

 

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

 

In Victory you deserve Champagne

In Defeat You Need It!

If you obey all the rules

You miss all the fun !

 

 

 

 

 


On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Most of the high income peers that I have that are younger than me are foregoing bigger houses, they are travelling a lot more and eating out more.  Even the guys that are 10 years older than me are heavily questioning the need for starter castles.  I've got one friend with a 6000 sqft house that doesn't even go upstairs any more.  Times they are a changing....

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

"...This is where millennials may be on to something in that they tend to be less interested in owning big houses or expensive cars and more interested in experiential spending. Big implications for the market economy of the future. 

 

John"

That's because the Millennials can't afford the big homes and fast cars! No use getting worked up over something you can never have/afford.

"...When you are lying on your deathbed, what will you remember more, the things you owned or the things you did?..."

Hopefully both!

Peter


Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 18:17:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NEEEED!
From: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
To: dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com

IIRC, Hemingway did NONE of those three...


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