Ferrari Mailing List: Re: artcurial motorsports auction results

[Fellippe Galletta (fellippe.galletta]

I remember seeing one of those Japanese car shows comparing the newer exotics to old and the 355 Challenge was slightly faster than a 430 around the track. 

Serious!

I wonder where exactly the 355 CH loses it's streetability......would be a tremendous road car.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:

I can assure you all, having owned a road registered 355ch for many years, that they are one hell of a car and a very different animal to a normal 355. The one described below is a rare animal, because, as Erik said, most of them are just worn out old race hacks. Cars like my old one and the one below and a rare and wonderful find.

 

From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:31 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: ferrari
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] artcurial motorsports auction results

 

This car, first registered on 28 March 1996 is one of 108 units made of the Type F129 AB. In its original "Gialo Modena" shade, it has undergone a complete refurbishment by Color Dream (bodywork suppliers to Art Grand Prix, the racing team of Frederic Vasseur and Nicolas Prost). The work particularly concerns a complete engine disassembly with the replacement of belts and all joints (the original engine block, in excellent condition, has been preserved and will be provided to the future owner); fefurbished Speedline alloy rims; new F40 LM brake calipers; new dashboard, door panels, windshield and rear window. Furthermore, the original OMP carbon seats were completely restored by Sellerie 3000, from Chatelet-en- Brie (partners of Oreca). A complete picture  file is part of the file that comes with the car.

During its racing career, this car took part in the Challenge Ferrari France from 1998 to 2000 through Modena Motors dealership with Alberto Voltoni. The present owner acquired the car in February 2001 from the dealer François Jakubowski and entered the Rallye de Paris and the Ferrari Pirelli Maranello Challenge at Spa in May, before participating in the French Endurance Championship VdeV in the colors of the Kodak, from 2004 to 2007.

Currently the car displays only 17,000km on the odo, and is equipped with the Challenge 99 kit with the rear spoiler in carbon bre. The car comes with its two technical passports FFSA dated October 18, 1998 and May 31, 2008.

Refurbished with over €40,000 in recent invoices and more than double since 2001, this car is one of the few registered F355 Challenges with clear history. Easily comparable to a Porsche 911 RS, this car had the reputation of being very dynamically balanced and easier to drive. Next year for its 20th birthday, it will be eligible for Ferrari Classiche, this worthy successor to the Ferrari 250 GT SWB is eligible for most of the prestigious competitions, and can reach the track by road.

On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

Clyde:

 

That Challenge car is one of the best in existence and hasn’t been abused, you could say it is restored to a race car standard.  I would take that data point as an outlier, and not paint all of the tired former racers on our side of the pond with the same brush.

 

Still cheaper than some of the track junk that Porsche has been selling to dentists for DE events.

 

Erik

 

On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:55 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com wrote:

 

These prices are more realistic 

Someone got burned with the 355 challenge car 

You can see the TR's didn't bring stupid money 

In fact the 1995 didn't even sell!

And the DINO was over paid big time as well

In victory you deserve Champagne

In defeat you need it!

 

     

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you follow all the rules

You miss all the fun! 

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Results are up.  I’d say the market has spoken, blue chip cars will bring strong money, overpriced common cars will be sent home with their dreaming owner.  Hopefully this will spook the speculators to second guess.  Long live the free market.

 

Erik

 

RESULTS FOR SALE 2877, RÉTROMOBILE 2016 BY ARTCURIAL MOTORCARS.

Generated at 1:45:52 PM on the Monday, February 08, 2016,

The following prices includes the buyer’s premium and taxes.

Prices shown in EUR Euros converted from EUR Euro at 1, Exchange rates provided for approximation only.

Lot	Description	Price	Result
101	1961 Mercedes-Benz 190 SL No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 12104010020902- Française dorigine, troisième main- Voiture incro	€ 89,400	Sold
102	1982 Ferrari 308 GTSi No reserve	€ 53,640	Sold
103	1939 Peugeot 202 Cabriolet No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n°853981- Rare version cabriolet- Bel état de présentation- Peugeot,	€ 23,840	Sold
104	1955 Peugeot 203 C cabriolet No reserve	€ 65,560	Sold
105	1953 Renault Frégate Ondine Cabriolet par Ghia No reserve	€ 77,480	Sold
106	1937 Peugeot 201 M Cabriolet No reserve	€ 33,376	Sold
107	1971 Fiat 500 Lusso No reserve	€ 16,688	Sold
108	1971 Dino 246 GT Série M	€ 357,600	Sold
109	1971 Alfa Romeo 1750 No reserve	€ 27,416	Sold
110	1971 BMW 2002 cabriolet No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 2790182- 1 des 200 exemplaires construits- Entretien soigné - Bel ét	€ 61,984	Sold
111	1989 Ferrari 412 No reserve	€ 89,400	Sold
112	1986 Ferrari Testarossa	€ 154,960	Sold
113	1971 Lamborghini Espada Série II	--	Unsold
114	1985 BMW M635 CSI No reserve	€ 41,720	Sold
115	1968 Morris Minor 1000 Traveller No reserve	€ 16,688	Sold
116	1986 Ferrari Testarossa Spider Valeo	€ 1,210,080	Sold
117	1980 Ferrari 512 BB	--	Unsold
118	2010 Ferrari California coupé-cabriolet Pininfarina	€ 393,360	Sold
119	1995 Ferrari 512 TR	--	Unsold
120	1972 Alfa Romeo Junior 1600 Zagato No reserve	€ 73,904	Sold
121	1963 Osca 1600 GT cabriolet par Fissore	€ 202,640	Sold
122	1965 ASA 1000 GT coupé	€ 135,888	Sold
123	1963 Italia 2000	€ 89,400	Sold
124	1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA	€ 441,040	Sold
125	1954 Jaguar XK 120 No reserve	--	Unsold
126	1954 Jaguar XK 120 No reserve	€ 111,360	Sold
127	1952 Ford Comète No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° : 766Caisse n° : 767Moteur n°: 700109- Carrosserie Facel- Voiture rare, sur	€ 49,945	Sold
128	1960 Facel Vega HK 500	€ 107,280	Sold
129	1951 Salmson G72 Coupé par Saoutchik	€ 184,760	Sold
130	1952 Delahaye 235 coupé Chapron	€ 298,000	Sold
131	1950 Talbot Lago Record Grand Sport cabriolet Graber	€ 202,640	Sold
132	1957 Facel Vega FV4	€ 226,480	Sold
133	1954 Vega 54 Prototype V par Facel Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° FV-54-0002 - Première Facel Vega jamais produite - Véhicule impo	€ 500,640	Sold
134	1952 Delahaye 235 coupé Chapron Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 818040Carrosserie n° 7008- Un des trois Coupés Delahaye 235 construit p	€ 160,920	Sold
135	1957 Facel Vega FV4 Titre de circulation suisseChâssis n° FV4-57-235(Numéro FV4-57-NY8 frappé sur lauto car il sagit de la 8ème FV4 e	€ 268,200	Sold
136	1960 Maserati 3500 GT Vignale Spyder Capot Long	€ 548,320	Sold
137	1968 Ferrari 330 GTC No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 11589Moteur n°11589- Même propriétaire depuis 23 ans- Avant-dernière 33	€ 536,400	Sold
138	1963 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta	--	Unsold
139	1971 Porsche 911 2,4 L S Targa	€ 154,960	Sold
140	1976 Porsche Carrera 2,7L Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 9116609116Moteur n° 6668129Type n° 911/83- Rare état dorigine- Historique co	--	Unsold
141	1970 Porsche 911 2,2L E No reserve	€ 92,976	Sold
142	1988 Porsche 959 Carte grise allemandeChâssis n° WPOZZZ95ZJS900032- Vendue neuve à un multiple Champion du Monde de Moto-Cross- Moins d	--	Unsold
143	1969 Lamborghini Islero S	€ 220,520	Sold
144	1966 Lamborghini 350 GT Touring	--	Unsold
145	1978 Maserati Khamsin	€ 166,880	Sold
146	1969 Lamborghini Espada Série 1	--	Unsold
147	1971 De Tomaso Mangusta	€ 327,800	Sold
148	1975 Lamborghini Countach LP 400 coupé Periscopio	€ 1,072,800	Sold
149	1966 Austin Mini Cooper S No reserve	€ 41,720	Sold
150	1961 Austin Mini Countryman No reserve	€ 60,792	Sold
151	1998 Mini John Cooper Works MPI No reserve	€ 71,520	Sold
152	2001 Mini Cooper S Works n°50/50 No reserve	€ 53,640	Sold
153	1961 Austin Mini Countryman No reserve Carte grise française Châssis n° M AW4L72058- Une des toutes premières Countryman construites- C	€ 69,136	Sold
154	1957 Aston Martin DB2/4 MkIII coupé	€ 274,160	Sold
155	1959 AC Ace Bristol roadster	€ 321,840	Sold
156	1961 Aston Martin DB4	€ 536,400	Sold
157	1963 Aston Martin DB4 Convertible Serie 5	€ 1,473,200	Sold
158	1960 Lancia Flaminia Sport Zagato 2.5L Sans documents de circulation Châssis n° 824.03-2067Moteur n° 82300-5063- Elégant coupé italien-	--	Unsold
159	1965 Maserati Mistral Spider Titre de circulation suédoisChâssis n° AM 109/S/085Moteur n° AM109/S/085- Un des tous premiers spider vend	--	Unsold
160	1978 Maserati Khamsin	--	Unsold
161	1972 Ligier JS2 No reserve	€ 143,040	Sold
162	1974 Alpine V6 Poisson Dieppois	--	Unsold
163	1970 Alpine A110 1600 S Groupe IV - Ex Jean Saurel	€ 116,816	Sold
164	1963 Renault Dauphine 1093 No reserve	€ 42,912	Sold
165	1956 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint No reserve	€ 45,296	Sold
166	1976 Lancia Stratos	--	Unsold
167	1989 Ferrari Testarossa	€ 107,280	Sold
168	1985 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole No reserve	€ 131,120	Sold
169	1972 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona	€ 953,600	Sold
170	1957 Ferrari 335 Sport Scaglietti	€ 32,075,200	Sold
171	1973 Fiat 500 Speziale No reserve	€ 21,456	Sold
172	1987 Ferrari 328 GTS No reserve Titre de circulation suisseChâssis n° ZFFCA20S000072001Moteur n°111 - Vendue neuve en suisse- Etat exce	€ 90,592	Sold
173	1996 Ferrari F355 Challenge	€ 176,416	Sold
174	1971 Ferrari Daytona 365 GTB/4 Spider, conversion par Straman	--	Unsold
175	1903 Moonbeam III Dit Moonbeam of Fife No reserve	€ 1,107,120	Sold
176	1955 Mercedes-Benz 300B cabriolet D No reserve	€ 178,800	Sold
177	1970 Mercedes-Benz 280 SE 3.5L cabriolet	€ 345,680	Sold
178	1941 Pierre Faure Type PFA Biplace électrique, version luxe No reserve	€ 20,264	Sold
179	1951 Simca Huit Sport Coupé No reserve	€ 65,560	Sold
180	1949 Cisitalia 202 série A Cabriolet Farina	€ 286,080	Sold
181	1908 Sizaire & Naudin Type F1 8 HP Sport No reserve	€ 119,200	Sold
182	1927 Amilcar CGSs Biplace No reserve	€ 45,296	Sold
183	1920 Bugatti Type 13	€ 357,600	Sold
184	1949 Georges Irat cabriolet par Labourdette No reserve	€ 57,216	Sold
185	1931/2012 Bucciali - Cord Type L29 modifié	€ 596,000	Sold
186	1956 Talbot Lago Sport 2500	€ 381,440	Sold
187	1929 Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 Super Sport	--	Unsold
188	1922 Stanley modèle 735 à vapeur, torpédo No reserve	€ 23,840	Sold
189	1936 Renault Viva Grand Sport cabriolet 3 places No reserve	€ 81,056	Sold
190	1966 Autobianchi Bianchina Panoramica No reserve	€ 15,496	Sold
191	1949 Cadillac serie 62 cabriolet No reserve	€ 38,144	Sold
192	1939 Graham Paige Type 97 supercharged cabriolet Pourtout Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 501 450- Histoire particulière, carrosserie P	€ 166,880	Sold
193	1947 Stanguellini 1100 coupé Motto	--	Unsold
194	1962 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Zagato Coda tronca	--	Unsold
195	1957 Alfa Romeo 1900 CSS Touring	--	Unsold
196	1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale Bertone	€ 131,120	Sold
197	1926 Bentley 6,5 L Tourer Vanden Plas	--	Unsold
198	1963 Maserati 3500 GTi Sebring	€ 327,800	Sold
199	1958 Ferrari 250 GT coupé Pinin Farina	€ 524,480	Sold
200	1960 Ferrari 250 GT cabriolet Pininfarina Série 2 avec hard-top inox unique	--	Unsold
201	1965 Ferrari 330 GT 2+2	--	Unsold
202	1970 Lamborghini Miura S	--	Unsold
203	1999 Lamborghini Diablo Roadster VT 5.7# ZA9RE31AOXLA121831999 - Lamborghini Diablo VT Roadster 5.7	--	Unsold
204	1971 Lamborghini 400 GT Jarama	--	Unsold
205	1995 Porsche 911 Type 993 RS	€ 292,040	Sold
206	1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7L RS Touring	--	Unsold
207	1967 Porsche 2,0L S châssis court	--	Unsold
208	1997 Porsche 993 GT2 Evo	--	Unsold
209	2006 Porsche 997 Cup	--	Unsold
210	1991 Lamborghini Diablo	€ 202,640	Sold
211	1995 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport	€ 929,760	Sold
212	1995 Bugatti EB110 SS Sport Competizione - Le Mans	€ 941,680	Sold
213	1999 Bugatti EB112 berline	--	Unsold
214	1958 Facel Vega FV4	€ 214,560	Sold
215	1958 Fiat Abarth 750 GT Zagato No reserve	€ 53,640	Sold
216	1975 Maserati Merak No reserve	€ 54,832	Sold
217	1993 Lancia Hyena	--	Unsold
218	1977 Ferrari 512 BB	--	Unsold
219	1973 Dino 246 GT	€ 357,600	Sold
220	1968 Maserati Ghibli 4.7L	--	Unsold
221	1992 Porsche 964 Carrera RS	€ 202,640	Sold
222	1952 Lancia Aurelia B20 GT 2ème série	€ 149,000	Sold
223	1964 Ferrari 330 GT 2+2	--	Unsold
224	1951 Talbot Lago T26 Record Sport par Dubos	€ 262,240	Sold
301	1987 Citroën 2 CV AZKA No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° VF7AZKA00KA206940- Collection Trigano- 1ère main !- 11 206 km dorigi	€ 15,496	Sold
302	1964 Citroën Ami 6 Berline No reserve	€ 14,900	Sold
303	1968 Citroën ID 19 No reserve	--	Unsold
304	1949 Citroën Traction 15-Six berline No reserve	€ 38,144	Sold
305	1934 Citroën Rosalie 8A berline No reserve	€ 11,920	Sold
306	1929 Citroën AC4 limousine No reserve	€ 9,536	Sold
307	1980 Citroën Méhari 4x4 No reserve	€ 50,064	Sold
308	1952 Citroën Traction 11 BL berline No reserve	€ 13,112	Sold
309	1953 Citroën Traction 11 B berline No reserve	€ 14,304	Sold
310	1939 Citroën Traction cabriolet 11 BL No reserve	€ 83,440	Sold
311	1935 Citroën Traction 7C coupé No reserve	€ 107,280	Sold
312	1932 Citroën C4 G torpédo No reserve	€ 41,720	Sold
313	1936 Citroën Rosalie 11 UA limousine avec séparation No reserve	€ 12,516	Sold
314	1922 Citroën 5 HP Type C torpédo No reserve	€ 14,304	Sold
315	1920 Citroën 10 HP Type A torpédo No reserve	€ 10,132	Sold
316	ca 1929 Citroën P19 chenillette Kégresse plateau No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 19483- Collection Trigano- Rare version six	€ 35,760	Sold
317	1954 Citroën Traction 15-Six D limousine familiale No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 724203Moteur n° PK07235- Collection Triga	€ 24,436	Sold
318	1969 Citroën DS 21 M Pallas No reserve	€ 19,072	Sold
319	1968 Citroën ID 21 F Break No reserve	€ 71,520	Sold
320	1973 Citroën SM injection No reserve	€ 22,648	Sold
321	1976 Citroën CX Prestige No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 00MK0227Moteur n° 0798030765- Collection Trigano- Un des premiers e	€ 8,940	Sold
322	1986 Citroën BX 4TC No reserve	€ 61,984	Sold
323	1984 Citroën Visa 1000 Pistes No reserve	€ 38,144	Sold
324	1959 Citroën 2 CV AZ No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 1080070- Collection Trigano- Version ancienne- Exemplaire restauré- Myt	€ 17,880	Sold
325	1971 Citroën M35 prototype n°417 No reserve	€ 21,218	Sold
326	1973 Citroën Ami Super No reserve	€ 11,920	Sold
327	1969 Citroën Ami 8 Berline et un Solex No reserve Carte grise française- Deux véhicules pour le prix dun !- Bel état de présentation e	€ 7,152	Sold
328	1926 Citroën 5 HP Type C3 torpédo Trèfle No reserve	€ 20,264	Sold
329	1933 Citroën C4 G MFP torpédo commercial No reserve	€ 17,880	Sold
330	1954 Citroën Traction 15-Six H berline No reserve	€ 38,144	Sold
331	1969 Citroën DS 21 M Prestige No reserve	€ 34,568	Sold
332	1939 Citroën Traction 11 B cabriolet No reserve	€ 166,880	Sold
333	1974 Citroën DS 23 IE Pallas No reserve	€ 63,176	Sold
334	1988 Citroën CX GTi Turbo 2 No reserve	€ 13,708	Sold
335	1990 Citroën 2 CV 6 Charleston No reserve	€ 38,144	Sold
336	1964 Citroën 2 CV AK 350 fourgonnette No reserve	€ 12,516	Sold
337	1928 Citroën B14 G limousine No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 320845- Collection Trigano- Présentation correcte- Deux proprié	€ 7,748	Sold
338	1926 Citroën B12 torpédo commercial No reserve	€ 13,112	Sold
339	Ca. 1925 Citroën B12 limousine woody No reserve	€ 27,416	Sold
340	1931 Citroën C4 G coach No reserve	€ 27,416	Sold
341	1931 Citroën C4 F berline No reserve	€ 11,920	Sold
342	1953 Citroën Traction 11 BL berline No reserve	€ 20,264	Sold
343	1930 Citroën C6 limousine No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 135Moteur n° 25279- Collection Trigano- Version six-cylindres, plu	€ 10,132	Sold
344	2007 Citroën C6 V6 2.7 hdi Sedan No reserve	€ 15,496	Sold
345	1936 Citroën Traction 7C berline No reserve	€ 14,304	Sold
346	1934 Citroën Rosalie 8A berline commerciale No reserve	€ 10,728	Sold
347	1930 Citroën AC4 limousine No reserve	€ 11,920	Sold
348	1961 Citroën 2 CV Sahara	€ 172,840	Sold

On Feb 5, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

There were some great pictures from the event and the other auctions here:

 

https://www.classicdriver.com/en

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> wrote:

No, not with the premium. I think the 32 million was with the premium though. It's the site that says so when you open the opening page of www.artcurial.com

The pic you sent went to the list. They also have an ICON that says RESULTS. But there is nothing yet. maybe we'll have to wait until sunday or monday.

Michael savard

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Erik Nielsen

To: Michel Savard

Cc: The FerrariList

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 8:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] artcurial motorsports auction results

 

Michel:

 

Are your numbers with premium?  I watched the 335 sell at 28 Mio hammer.  Thought I posted a pic, not sure if it went through to the list.

 

Regards,

Erik

On Feb 5, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> wrote:

 

Here are some results from today (they continue tomorrow at 9h00 from Paris):

 

1957 335 sport scaglietti #0674 - 32,000,000 euros (Pierre Bardinon collection)

19?? 330 GTC gray - 260,000 euros

19?? 330 GTC sunroof , sort of brown/gold color - 280,000 euros "reserve not met".

19?? BB512 gray rebuilt by ferrari 350,000 euros

1973 Dino 246 gray - 300,000 euros.

19?? Lamborghini diablo purple 30th anniversary - 210,000 euros.

19?? Lamborghini diablo Keke Rosberg's, I think 5,400 miles - 170,000 euros

19?? Lamborghini Miura same owner last 36 years - 860,000 euros.

 

I watched a lot of it on the internet live. It's great to see how the french differ from typical american auctions. They had 4 guys with microphones at the front. They kept cutting each other all the time. There were always 2 guys talking at the same time or almost. When there were no bids, they would just keep talking, bragging about the car and this and that. Long silence, no bids still, keep talking. Time was not a problem.

In typical american auction, as soon as the bids stop, then that's it, the hammer goes down very quickly. Next car please. Only one guy speaks.

 

Michael Savard (1981 308 GTSi)

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