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From: Fellippe Galletta (fellippe.galletta![]() |
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Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) |
What TYPE of business....
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:
What business expense can you write off an exotic in?I'm having a hard enough time seeing a write off for a Ford Raptor.On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:Ah, grasshopper still has much to learn.No one buys these things, the vast majority are either bought or leased under a business expense, getting the owner a subsidized lifestyle and a tax credit to boot.The go-go days of paying over list for a car have more or less dried up, unless it is something limited edition and those go to the churn crowd that lets the dealer keep his allocation.One must never confuse the maximizing cash flow crowd with real wealth...On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/judge4re%40gmail.comCan't get upset or talk smack about a losing money on a trade in.......only if the guy is too heavily invested is he a fool.Someone making $1 million a year churning through new exotics every 18 months and taking baths on them should be considered smarter than someone making $75k struggling to make ends meet on a 328 he bought a few years ago. Maybe the 328 appreciated to where he made some equity, and it still shouldn't matter.That's assuming he's not milking the entire $1 million on cars, homes, super luxury, etc.I won't judge either of these individuals, but at what point is someone making enough money that it shouldn't matter? Who is actually financing a new exotic for 60 months (or at all)?From what I've gathered, if you have an in with a dealer you could be in a new Ferrari every 18 months or so....buying at sticker, selling above sticker. Almost like a "cheap" lease that just requires you to invest once.And if you sell it eventually, even at say a $30k loss....then you could say you had new Ferraris for several years for "free".Money makes money. My buddy had an ultra wealthy 9 figure net worth client that walked into Ferrari of Washington, saw a 360 and said "what will it take for me to have it?". He was told to buy a 456 and he could immediately get on the list. He right away phones his assistant to initiate the wiring of funds for the 456., no negotiation on price or anything.Drove it for a few months, sold it at no loss. Got his 360 at sticker custom ordered....visited Maranello, etc. Sold it eventually for a price that would have been pretty good for the average guy, and of course a non issue for him.When I look at exotics in general I ask myself "Will I care if this thing's value drops in half or 3/4?".....at the point that I say no, is around the point I could afford it.FGOn Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:04 AM, <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/fellippe.galletta%40gmail.comGuys please take a look around you and see who has the jobs that make that kind of money to buy those cars?Because that's the marketIt's not the so called millennium crowdThey are struggling from the recent rescissionTrying to buy homesRaise familiesJust look at the sales of the so called famed Nissan GTR !In fact look who is going to the car shows!The bubble isn't about to happenIt's already here!That crowd wants value for there hard earned money not some history of a race it won before the Vietnam war!There are no more poster cars for little boys to grow up and dream aboutRemember the Testarossa (Sic) poster ?The Lamborghini poster ?Even the car magazines have toned it down and kids don't buy them only adults doWe all bought them but ask your nephew or grandson if he does?In fact the video games don't have cars in them anymoreThey are all first person shooter gamesHow do I know I play them with my grandsonUnless you were fortunate to have a rich relative like Charles or have a father like EricWho has a buy here pay here car lotYou will not be exposed to these vehicles and you will only see them in the movies!Ferrari, Lamborghini, McClaren, Maserati and the like will struggle in the near termThat's my take on itOne last wordWent to the local McClaren dealership the other dayMy old squadron mate bought a 2012 one so I got him a hatThere was one of those 2015 super trick Lamborghini that went for $500 plus there in trade with 3 k miles on itThey gave him $300k on trade for it!Ah yes the saying is trueA fool and his money is soon partedIn victory you deserve ChampagneIn defeat you need it!
Scars are Tattoos with better stories !If you follow all the rulesYou miss all the fun!If you have no enemies, you have no character !Clyde RomeroConfidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. C., Sections 2510-2521, and is intended only for the persons or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, copying, forwarding or distribution is prohibited.This email transmission, and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is priviledged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information containes in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail at Clyde.romerof4 [at] gmail.com or by telephone at (678 6419932)and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk.Charles:I read with interest the article published by Michael Sheehan concerning the current values of Ferrari cars and the "exaggerated" prices of today's market and the expected value of those same cars as viewed by the upcoming millennial investors. His introspection, it seems, is that we (the old guys) are going to die off and the upcoming generation could give a big dump less about the cars we value so much.Having said that, ANY of the old Ferrari cars are desirable to me; unfortunately, I can't afford them. As Clyde says, you need a CNC to keep a supply of parts available. But, they are basically mechanical machines. They can be fixed. Who knows what will be necessary to keep the newer stuff running. Perhaps an electronics lab?Back to the purchase pricing of our current market. Again, as Clyde says, "buy it and drive the paint off it!" In 2016, is a Ferrari BB worth the money? Most all the cars currently listed are, in my opinion, overpriced. But, that's what keeps the Ferrari market alive. I think the market will crash again, much like what happened in the post Enzo era. The car values will fall back, but if one can weather the depreciation, the prices should rebound again (in 10 years?). That's assuming that there is no market crash, no terrorist attacks, no dinosaur depleting asteroids, no Revelation depicted prophetic end of days.Unfortunately, I think that most of the pristine, low mileage, fully documented Ferraris that come and go at the high end sales will probably end up in a private collection where they are, unfortunately, never driven to their capabilities or limits. They become museum pieces. Speaking for Clyde, I think that one looking for art would prefer a van Gogh; If you want a Ferrari, please be prepared to drive it.My humble opinion. Regards to allDBOn Monday, May 16, 2016 6:16 AM, "ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com" <ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:
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FG, know how you love the Jotas:
http://www.rmsothebys.com/mc16/monaco/lots/1995-lamborghini-diablo-se30-jota/1079713
Some pretty crazy Ferrari transactions too:
http://www.rmsothebys.com/mc16/monaco/results/
cLyDe - Please see the 550 Barchetta selling price, the 575 SuperAmerica and maybe the Dino 206GT. I await your diatribes with huge anticipation! :)
Really wish I'd bought the 512BBis I was looking at when I instead bought the 355. They were mid 80's at the time.
I also would REALLY have liked to have this, although I don't think I would've gone $13k+ for it:
http://www.rmsothebys.com/mc16/monaco/lots/formula-1-champions-signed-helmet/1078682
[Sig - CSC]
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- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19, (continued)
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Doug & Terri, May 17 2016
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Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Fellippe Galletta, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Erik Nielsen, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Fellippe Galletta, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Fellippe Galletta, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Erik Nielsen, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Fellippe Galletta, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Erik Nielsen, May 17 2016
- Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 118, Issue 19 Rick Moseley, May 17 2016
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