Re: 1977 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina - Original Paint
From: Luke Graves (buyer1airmail.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:30:33 -0700 (PDT)

A bit cynical, but, I likes your response!
 
Luke


From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:26 PM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 1977 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina - Original Paint

Having been behind the curtain and heard arguments from the guys that judged at Pebble and built up the Ferrari concours to what it has become, I can honestly say, who cares, they’re just cars.  I lost interest in it debating a very important Testa Rossa (note: two words) at a national meet.  The collection of parts and the condition they were in didn’t match any period of history other than that particular Friday morning under the Texas sun.  But the expectation was that the collective group was expected to bless it and rejoice in it’s splendor.  Yawn.

For every knight that wants to joust the largest windmill that they can find, there will be at least four jesters that are willing to keep score.  Regardless of what the marketing whores in Maranello say or the hanger-ons that are trying to get their piece of the action, Ferraris are just consumer goods and life is way too damn short to try and rank individuals based on their ability to direct disposable income at an object.  Exclusivity?  Ha, that just belies the vulgarity of the banality of the individuals behind it.

I expect this to go through a cycle like all shiny baubles, demographics keep people interested in it, wealth will be spent trying to remember the past or rebrand/repackage an individual to glory that never was, and it will all eventually fade to black.  Yes, there are still gilded carriages in some museums, and you’ll still see the occasional brass era car, but time and technology march on.  This too shall pass.



On Sep 11, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

Maybe you can help answer a question ... this is a letter I wrote to Sports Car Market in response to an article and a readers response to that article ...

" I'm writing in response to a letter to the Editor from a Mr. Allan Lydon of Atlanta, GA.  The subject was "opening the can," in response to a Paul Hageman article about collector-car originality in the May 2018 issue.  I have been meaning to write for some time and I hope that too much has not passed in order to be considered for print. 

As Mr. Lydon pointed out, originality in regards to classic and collectible cars is a very interesting and also very complicated subject.  In the literal sense, "original" is an adjective defined as "present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest." Which could be interpreted so that a car is not 100% original once the first tank of fuel is used, a light bulb burns out, the first set of tires is worn out, or any part of the car is painted.  In a more realistic world this level of originality would be all but impossible to achieve.  And from auction sale results, the value and collectability of automobiles with color changes, engine swaps, interior re-trims etc. is often unaffected by these modifications.  In Concours judging, however, the lack of correctness in comparison to the original sheen of paint in an engine compartment, or incorrect screw heads and hose clamps can cost valuable judging points.  I have a longtime friend and client who has a passion for restoring 356 Porsche and collecting and competitively displaying Porsche from the 1980's all the way to modern day offerings.  In the past he has gone through the trouble of procuring a set of NO spec tires, not to drive on but to mount on his 1989 Speedster at events in order to retain points for originality.  He has also tracked down the original color oil filter for the car for the same reason (when Porsche delivered 911's in the '80s the factory oil filter was orange, and all subsequent provided at dealerships were black).  I have witnessed him purchase 1,000 count each of every ounce and half ounce NOS (new old stock) stick-on wheel weight offered by Porsche because that's the smallest number they would agree to sell.  I have a friend with an extremely low mileage collector truck who saved the original battery when it required changing and even the original parts replaced as part of a recall.  Does this level of attention to detail and originality matter to most people?  Probably not. Does it matter to Concours judges and the collector looking for the best of the best?  Absolutely. 

In more realistic terms, does originality have to apply to the original part of *that* particular car, or just correct for that particular model?  (I'd love to have Jay Leno or Donald Osborne weigh in here).  When I was performing a sympathetic restoration of my 1968 Mercedes-Benz 280SL I purchased every piece and part from the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in California.  The NOS soft top, engine parts, interior trim pieces etc. that were purchased were not original to *my* car, but they were correct to the year and model - and without VIN stampings who knows the difference between a 1968 part installed in 1968 and a 1968 part installed in 2018?  For a princely sum Ferrari will gladly re-cast and stamp an engine block for owners of their classic models.  Definitely not original, but arguably correct being cast through period correct measures by the factory and stamped with the correct numbers. 

In the end I don't believe that absolute pure originality exists for very long in regards to automobiles.  It can be preserved to the best of our ability and can lead to a high level of "correctness."  However I would also argue that this level of originality probably doesn't matter to the vast majority of collectors and us "regular folk" who would purchase a classic car to drive. :


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On 9/11/18 5:43 PM, Brian Keegan wrote:
I became a concours judge after doing all the research on cars we restored and assembling a documentary binder for the car 
only to have the “judges” take points off for correct stuff. I am assembling a massive collection of factory documents by model to support and help educate the new generation of judges as the older crew is slowly fading away.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

Hey GP – the old adage “if you have too many friends – become a concours judge.”
It’s true today as it was the first Concourse and dog show ever was.
Onward
Doug
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:04 AM
To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 1977 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina - Original Paint
I prefer the "Who's Line Is It Anyway?" brand of concours - where the points don't matter!  😉
gp


From: Grahame Reinthal <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au>

I heard that in some concourses now, if 2 cars are both beautifully
original and hard to split on points, original tyres can make a
difference.  Apparently, there is some trade in really old tyres (date
matched to the vintage of the car) and matching the original specs.  I
guess you could trailer the car to the show site and ease off gently,
hoping the air stays in those tyres for the day!  Anybody else heard this?

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