OK, your points one by
one:
1. Not sure about a Volt not REALLY
being an electric car. The
entire drivetrain to the wheels
is all electric. It uses a 110KW
electric
motor/generator. The ICE (which is 84hp) just powers a
smaller generator if needed. It's 55KW , and is used to
recharge the
16.5KWh battery if necessary.
2. I already outlined the regen forces in the volt. It is
much
stronger than the engine braking in most gas engine
cars. Read what I
said. It is enough to hold the car
back on a 25% grade. That is a
lot. Much stronger than
the deceleration that you would get in a 308
Ferrari in 1st
gear. The only gas car that I have driven with greater
engine braking is 1st gear in my 4.L Maserati. Regen is up to
75KW,
which is A LOT!!!! In city driving, because of slower
speeds, regen
is closer to 30-35KW. That's like having a
40hp engine suddenly
kicking into reverse. It not as much as a
Tesla, but more than most
other electric cars, like the Nissan
Leaf for example. And far, far
more than a Prius. OK,
you can claim that a Prius is not an electric
car, but it's reason
for existing is to convert via regeneration it's
kinetic energy
while slowing down into electricity to be stored in
it's small
battery to propel it back up to speed when the stop light
turns
back to green. Again, it exists solely to take advantage of
regeneration.
3. Electric range on
the Gen1 cars (2011-2015) is about 35 miles.
Gen2 cars (2016 to
present) is 45 to perhaps 50 miles. Compare that
to the all
electric Gen1 Leaf, which had a range of about 70 miles. I
think the newer ones have a bigger battery. I drove my Gen1
for
nearly 7 months without using a drop of gasoline.
4. According to Wikipedia, sales of the Volt
were 177,000 units as of
the date of the article. Hardly a
niche vehicle.
OK, go bury your head back in the
sand.
Hans.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:21 PM Peter Pless <
ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:
>
> Well, let’s face it, a Volt isn’t
REALLY an electric car, is it now? Not in the modern sense of the word….so I was
right.
>
> If there isn’t a petrol motor in
the Volt, I’ll tell you I was wrong, but I’m not.
>
> I doubt the regen is very strong on the Volt, otherwise the
brake light not coming on would have brought a class action against GM from all
the rear enders. Sounds like it just does about as much braking as changing down
a gear does…..and no car has a brake light for that.
>
> Almost zero Volts (good pun) sold here because everyone knew
they were rubbish from the start anyway. Are they even still made? I mean,
what’s the electric range of one? 10km before the ICE kicks in?
>
>
>
> From:
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=
pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of Hans E. Hansen
> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018
2:19 PM
> To: Peter Pless
> Cc: The
FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>
>
>
> Quote
:
>
>
>
>
"The brake lights most certainly come on when you use regen on an electric car.
The fact that some of you thought that it was possible that they DON'T is
astounding"
>
>
>
> What "facts" are you referring to again?
>
>
>
> Hans.
>
>
>
> On Sun,
Dec 2, 2018, 7:13 PM Hans E. Hansen <
FList [at] hanshansen.org>
wrote:
>
> Uh, your "facts" stated that all
electric cars have brake lights on regen......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 6:40
PM Peter Pless <
ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:
>
> What's wrong with you?
> My facts are perfectly straight.
> If you're
telling me that the Volt doesn’t put on the brake lights under heavy regen,
you'd better sue GM. What a ridiculous oversight.
> All the
other electric cars do that I've driven and heard about, as you would
realistically expect.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:
FList [at] hanshansen.org]
> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 10:29 AM
> To:
Peter Pless; The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking
>
> RIGHT! Get your facts
straight.
>
> Check out the Volt forums.
None of the cars has a brake light on
> regen. I guess this
means that they are ALL defective. It was a long
> topic
of conversation a couple of years back.
>
>
Hans.
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:26 PM Peter Pless <
ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:
> >
> > Then there's something
wrong with your car....OR....the regen is as weak as engine braking.
> > The electric cars I've driven have the brake lights come on
as soon as there is enough regen to equate to using a brake pedal.
> >
> > Next time you try to be assertive,
maybe get your facts right.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
Hans E. Hansen [mailto:
FList [at] hanshansen.org]
> > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 9:58 AM
>
> To: Peter Pless; The FerrariList
> > Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] Regen breaking
> >
> >
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!
> >
> > I taped a
piece of foil near the center brake light on my Volt so I could see it reflect
in my rear view mirror. Step on brakes, I can see the light on. Lift
throttle (regen), NO LIGHT!
> >
> > Next
time you try and guess an answer, get a car and experiment first.
> >
> > Hans.
> > On
Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM Peter Pless <
ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:
> > >
> > > The brake
lights most certainly come on when you use regen on an electric car. The fact
that some of you thought that it was possible that they DON'T is astounding!
> > >
> > > And then, once you've
stopped, you can put your foot on the brake pedal so that the brake lights are
on....just like in any other car.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> From: Ferrari
> > >
[mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=
pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com]
On
> > > Behalf Of jashburne--- via Ferrari
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:09 PM
> > > To: Peter Pless
> > > Cc: The
FerrariList
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen
breaking
> > >
> > > I’m surprised
that the brake lights aren’t programmed to come on when the motor is actively
slowing down the car. Sounds dangerous if not.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
>
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
>
> > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen <
FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wouldn't call
it severe. Think of the throttle (rheostat?) as
> >
> > having a neutral position, which is part way down. Push
further,
> > > > it accelerates. More push, more
acceleration. Lift throttle is similar.
> > > >
Lift a little, gradual decel, etc.
> > > >
> > > > As for the brake light issue, my recent
Thanksgiving trip to
> > > > Portland gave me the
opposite problem. I was in stop and go congestion on I-5.
> > > > I'd lift to slow, but because the brake lights
don't come on, cars
> > > > behind me had no idea that
I had started slowing until it became
> > > > very
obvious. Given the congestion and that people tend to follow
> > > > way too close, I thought this could be dangerous,
so I "shifted"
> > > > into regular "drive"
(simulating a gas car with an auto trans)
> > > >
which forced me to use the brake pedal to slow even slightly.
>
> > > Thus lighting up the brake lights and warning people behind
me.
> > > >
> > > > Hans.
> > > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:23 PM Peter Rychel
<
dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> So,
every time you let off the accelerator pedal, the regen kicks in and it’s that
severe?
> > > >>
> > >
>>
> > > >>
> > >
>> Peter
> > > >>
> >
> >>
> > > >>
> > >
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ________________________________
> > > >> From: Ferrari
> > >
>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=
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on
> > > >> behalf of Hans E. Hansen <
FList [at] hanshansen.org>
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:49:45
AM
> > > >> To: PeterGT4
> >
> >> Cc: The FerrariList
> > > >> Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
> > > >>
> > > >> FWIW, the regen in a Chevy Volt is fairly
strong, strong enough
> > > >> that I only use the
brake (NOT break) pedal for the final 20 feet
> > >
>> or so to come to a complete stop in normal traffic.
>
> > >>
> > > >> Hans.
> > > >>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:22 PM Peter
Rychel <
dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
How much drag does it feel when you lift off the accelerator pedal? Like, it’s
going to come to a complete dead stop very, very quickly?
>
> > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
I wonder if cars like this (I’m talking street cars here, not F1) are designed
for people who left-foot brake. Like maybe not such a dramatic
lift-your-entire-foot-off-of-the-gas-pedal and then jamming on the brake, but a
gentle relaxing on the “gas” and slightly pressing on the brake, more-or-less at
the same time.
> > > >>>
> >
> >>>
> > > >>>
>
> > >>> As the years pass and the manual transmission disappears
off the road, nearly everyone are driving automatics now and I’ve noticed,
especially with younger, newer drivers that they’re using their left feet for
braking. How can I tell? From the continuous blinking of the brake lights, yet
not noticeable drop in speed as they drive along a busy route. It’s not that
they’re trying to slow down, but only moderate their speed as they go along.
It’s incredibly annoying.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
>>>
> > > >>> Peter
>
> > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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> > >
>>>
> > > >>>
> >
> >>>
> > > >>>
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> > > >>> From:
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> > > >>>
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> > > >>> behalf of Stephen Sherman <
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> > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:36:22
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> > > >>> To: PeterGT4
>
> > >>> Cc: The FerrariList
> > >
>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
> > >
>>>
> > > >>> I have learned what F1
drivers experience (not to the extent that F1 do) when the commentators talk
regenerative breaking. In my Tesla ( standard regen ) I normally take my foot
off the accelerator and the Tesla deaccelerates like I am braking. I am not sure
if depends on the state of charge of the battery or the temperature or a
combination of the two, but there is NO or not desernable regen braking. There
is a message when I first start to drive that ‘regen braking is limited ‘, not
after I have experienced full regen braking during my drive then when I take my
foot off the accelerator NO regen. It would be nice to have the message ‘regen
braking limited ‘ on the screen, so I would be braking harder. Just an
observation.
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