| Probably $75k It’s got a new motor in it Better radiators than stock ones with new fans and I put in the relay kit and I have a spare 512 TR fuse box. Which you can’t get anywhere New suspension all around with new front and rear rotors Full aircraft type log books I put hand hammered shields in the fenders years ago They are better than the ones from the factory
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High mileage does have a negative connotation in
people's minds - real or not. I know airplanes have a useful
lifespan based on metal fatigue etc., do you think there is the
same typ of wear on autos?
Out of curiosity, what would you ask for your 512
if you put it on the market?
Also of note, I saw the Owner of SCM just paid
mid $40's for a 1975 Ferrari 380GT4 with 217,000 miles!
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On 12/12/18 6:34 AM, Clarence Romero
Jr. wrote:
Unfortunately
Most buyers want a low mileage car
And in Ferrari world they want less than zero miles on it!
A high mileage car doesn’t count even though it’s been
maintained, with records etc
And what’s with the window sticker thing?
I mean really
My Ferrari 512 TR with 107k on it is a fine example.
Everything has been done on that car, suspension, steering
rack, shocks, real radiators and relay kits on the fans, etc.
But hey I bought it to drive it not wax it !
And to be honest I would sell the car to anyone who
wouldn’t drive it.
In my opinion they don’t deserve my car at any price, you
have to have standards!
The younger crowd can’t drive a stick, so why are they
asking crazy prices for them?
It doesn’t make sense, but hey it is what it is.
It’s just hype on 4 wheels.
The NSX market proved that, again no less, along with the
GTR.
Those things are backed up like a sink!
Gotta go
Buy it to drive it!
That’s what I say
As for the Porsche 356 crowd,
When a Honda Accord sport can blow your doors off
Who got the better deal?
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Was looking over some recent sale
reports and thought of this thread ... at the Gooding
auction earlier this year at Pebble Beach five of the
200 Ferrari 250GT Series II cabriolets were preset and
four of them traded hands to new owners. All between
$1.325m and $1.792m, including buyers fees. The 5th
didn't sell with a bid of $1,550m, which it should
have. With 2.5% of the production present in one day
and all bringing very similar bids, I'd say these
numbers are representative of the market, even though
they sold at a retail auction.
Daytona coupes have been selling in the
$700,000 +/- $100k range for a few years. Every
LaFerrari that comes to market sells for $3m to
$3.5m. All trackable sales results.
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On 12/8/18 12:06 PM, Brian E.
Buxton wrote:
But what if it's not one car? You
are assuming that only one Ferrari sells per week or
month at auction. Have you followed the sale
results of the sales at the factory in Maranello?
Or at Mecum? or Barrett? Multiple Enzos (as an
example) have been selling monthly. 308/328 sales
are well documented and fairly level per condition -
exceptional low mileage cars bringing over $100k.
That's enough to get a good read. You asked about
why there isn't a database of sales, well there is.
Subscribe to Sports Car Market and scroll through
their database of sales. There are hundreds of
examples, depending on the model.
The Porsche market is an entirely
different subject, but the slant nose cars were
factory cars. There were some fiberglass
aftermarket kits and they don't hold value as well.
But real steel cars are still highly valuable and
sought after in the market. Not sure how TTO
affects value - if all cars that drove poorly were
deemed non-valuable and non-collectible most cars
from the 1960's back to the 1800's would have been
crushed. It's also very simple to fix TTO by
increasing airflow and output (exhaust). The early
turbos were choked by early emissions equip. Take
that off and they are very smooth with no turbo
lag. It's easy to claim I don't know the market,
but you are just discounting what I post, you aren't
giving any actual data or examples to disprove the
market. Insulting buyers and saying cars drive
poorly when stock isn't empirical info. But with a
shoe sized IQ it's hard fro me to understand things
sometimes. lol
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On 12/8/18 7:39 AM,
Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
You don’t know the Ferrari market Brian
And as I said earlier
One auction on a car doesn’t make the market
It might for you so you can hype it up to some
poor uninformed buyer with deep pockets and shoe
size IQ
But hey that’s what you live for
Just look at the P car market
Guys paying top bucks for an air cooled POS that
has a major handling problem called trailing
throttle oversteer
But you can’t fix stupid Brian
I remember the hype of the Guard Red Slope nose P
car being all that
Guys modifying there cars
Please
The P car crowd is the worst only followed by the
MCB crowd !
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So let me get thus straight
... you're telling me that FML is BS and
totally out of touch with the market, but
that I don't know the market because I don't
read FML? It's seems that I'm better off
not reading worthless info and paying
attention to actual sales and transactions
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On 12/6/18 8:59 PM,
Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Sorry Brian
The limited auction market isn’t the
market
Maybe for you
But not the average Joe
The Ferrari market has always been about
hype
And the fact you never opened a FML tells
me you know very little about the Ferrari
market!
Because that’s where the hype is big
time!
But that’s ok
Because you really are a P car guy
And everyone has there thing as they say
Too many guys think the FML is the gospel
until they find out it’s just a
Seventh Day Adventist knocking at there
door!
Gotta go
Take care and I have helped too many on
this list both sell and by there dream car
at realistic prices
Not the ones you see in the paper!
Leads tally one bandit right 2 o clock
high, burners now !
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I've never opened a
FML ... but you're talking two
different markets - the wholesale
market and the retail market. The
auction prices do represent the
retail market. The best of the
best. The cars you or I may sell
that were owned personally (private
parry retail) will fall below that.
The dealers offer wholesale, put in
money for reconditioning and
service, then sell somewhere between
private party retail and auction
retail. The auction prices may be
idiots with money, but it's the
market. Which is the trading of
cars for money. Do you think a
McLaren F1 will sell under $15M in
any transaction (other than
wholesale or a car with bad history)
now that one hit that mark last
summer? That set the market. What
about the black Ferrari GTO that
sold for $22M more in a private
party transaction (to David MacNeil)
than the most recent GTO at auction
(https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/most-expensive-car-ever-sold-at-auction-fetches-48-million.html)?
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On 12/6/18
6:14 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Brian
Brian
Brian
Most recently and I know he
monitors this list I helped a lister
sell his beautiful 308 with Daytona
seats and improved a/c system at a
price no where near the asking
prices in the FML
In fact it was at least 30k away
from those dream boat prices you
read in the yellow shit rag!
The market is dropping son
The 550 crowd is starting to feel
the pain
Like I’ve always said if you want
to know what your car is worth
Take it to a dealer
Because that’s the real price
The auction prices are idiots
with money
They are suicide blondes, dyed by
their own hand!
But that’s not the market
There is still some fools
thinking he can get 280K for a 575
6spd
Along with the dolts thinking
superamericas are all that!
Keep in mind the 355 spyder crowd
thought the same thing
Remember that bubble?
Lest not forget the 360 spyder
crowd as well
Idiots with money will never
learn
But hey
It is what it is
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308 / 328
market is higher than it was
when they were new!
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On
12/6/18 4:47 PM, Clarence
Romero Jr. wrote:
I hope you’re right
I just don’t see many
people buying older Ferrari
cars
In my opinion the
308/328/348 is dead
The 355 market is surely
dead and the a/c works on
those cars!
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I'll
agree with Peter
here...
In 5 years the dealerships
will be so busy
doing warranty
work they won't
have time to fix
the stuff already
sold. The "good"
independents will
flourish.
The
independents
will survive
keeping the
older models
going.
Peter
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15
years
This
is going to
kill the
independent
Ferrari shops
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