Ferrari Mailing List: Re: EBay vs BaT

[Clarence Romero Jr. (clyderomerof4]

Same to you

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On Jan 1, 2020, at 1:04 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:



It’s no Yugo, but I’m sure Lada is right up there along with it:

 

ebay.ca - 1976 Lada Vaz

 

Peter

 

P.S. Happy New Year cLyDe and the rest of the ‘List!

 

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From: Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: December 31, 2019 12:45 PM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] EBay vs BaT

 

There’s a Yugo on eBay for you then !

 

 

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On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:07 PM, scott saidel <scott_saidel [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 I love all cars.  

 

A Porsche saved my life once. 

 

Scottie 

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On Dec 31, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 Wait a minute 

You love Porsche cars remember!

 

 

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On Dec 31, 2019, at 1:46 PM, scott saidel <scott_saidel [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 Gift.  Charity.  Right here buddy 

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On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 Cody your car was and is a great car 

Miles didn’t matter because everything worked 

It’s the Ferrari mind set of wanting a low mileage car that’s a million years old and wanting everything to work as new!

That’s what makes the Ferrari market so scary 

The people who have the money to buy these cars are so, well there is no other word for it Dumb! 

Me when I finally decide to sell the 512 TR it will be an individual who can appreciate what the car is and how I maintained it 

Hell I might even gift the car to one if those charities 

And take the write off!

 

Happy New Years to all and congratulations on the sale Governor!

 

 

 

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On Dec 31, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Cody Laird via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Charles,

Your review of BaT is spot on save one feature that separates it from EBay: last second bids reset the clock to two minutes. This is more akin to a live auction where the auctioneer says third and last time and a new bid is offered.

Watching my Mondial t coupe with Clyde miles on the car (~102k) that just sold for 47,500 was a great example. There were over 20 bids in the last seconds. It was as close to an in person auction with peanut gallery commentary to boot. Exciting.

Maybe just maybe, and I’ll get flamed for this thought I’m sure, that some in the market realize a car driven regularly At a reasonable annual rate (3000 miles/year) is more reliable and marketable than one that sits around.

To all F-listers, I hope you have a very Happy New Year!

Best,
Cody

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 1. Re: Ebay prices (Charles Perry)

 

 

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:28:33 +0000

From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolinasound.com>

To: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay prices

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For the record, Bring a Trailer does use reserves and most cars have them. Typically they will make it clear in the headline listing if it is a No Reserve car. The difference is that when you list a car with BaT, you have to work with them to set the reserve. They want cars to sell, they know what they typically go for, and so they help owners be realistic about what it needs to be to actually sell the car. If you're an insane guy that thinks your low miles 2012 Camry SE should reserve at $48k because it has the rare green floor mats instead of the usual black, BaT will refuse your listing.

 

They also allow the seller to pull the reserve late in the game if the car is getting close so that you don't lose a sale over $500 or whatever. And if the car doesn't make reserve, they will put the high bidder in touch with the owner and see if they can work things out privately. That actually can save you money since then you don't pay BaT their 5% commission, but it's a nice courtesy to serious car people.

 

So you can see why their model works pretty well. That said, for some reason I don't feel like Ferraris bring as much on BaT as they sometimes do elsewhere, but that's essentially Clyde's point ? a disproportionate number of us think our cars are worth more than they might be.

 

-- charles

 

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolinasound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Romero Jr.

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 8:09 AM

To: Charles Perry

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay prices

 

In my opinion the true market is Bring a Trailer

Without question

That?s where the rubber meets the road so to speak

If your car is worth what you think it is you will get your price

You don?t set a reserve and the car goes

Period no BS

Auctions have too much hype associated with it and Cav and FML are doing meth!

I will give you an example

This Saturday a guy shows up with a 512Bi they were all euro cars

His was a good one from Canada he paid $75k for it 7 years ago

The asking price now in FML is around $270-300k

He opened the hood on the car

Sorry guys it?s a 12 cylinder 1982 308 yes Virginia

Same poorly designed stuff on the this car

Me, I am not paying anywhere near that for a car with no ABS marginal A/C and the list goes on, he even had the TRX tires on it which suck, I had them on my BMW M-6;

Yea I know

Too each there own

The car had 20,000 Kms on it

It was a moving bomb

The only saving grace is that the car was owned by the guy who makes the beefed up tranaxles for the TR

So it had that going for it

Sorry for the long rant

 

Happy New Years guys

 

 

 

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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero

 

 

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On Dec 29, 2019, at 11:50 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

?

I?ve noticed with RM?s auctions this past year, they sent out their ?lots still for sale? emails with many of the headlining cars still up for grabs. Cars that would?ve easily sold last year or the year before.

 

It?ll be interesting to see the upcoming Arizona auctions and what results they will be bring. I?m thinking it?ll be more of the same as this past year (flat).

 

On a side note, I was in Vegas last month and I was quite shocked to see all of the high-end stores empty of customers. A good indicator to me that; a) there?s too many of them and b) middle-class discretionary income isn?t as healthy as it?s being touted to be.

 

Peter

 

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From: Clarence Romero Jr.<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

Sent: December 29, 2019 4:57 PM

To: PeterGT4<mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>

Cc: The FerrariList<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay prices

 

I don?t know if it will get that low but you never know

575 prices are sinking fast

And the 550 crowd is in denial!

 

 

 

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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero

 

 

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On Dec 29, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

?Let me know when a 88.5+Testarossa in grigio becomes available at $45k.  I expect the next economic downturn should have them come out of the woodwork.

 

 

 

On Dec 29, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> wrote:

 

I?ve been accumulating a few data about the prices of Ferraris (Testarossa-one day I?ll get a 12 cylinders and 360-just being curious) on Ebay. If Ebay is a good yardstick, then prices of Ferraris are getting lower and lower. Or it?s just that people don?t want these models.

Here are the final prices/bids when they were relisted, most with RESERVE NOT MET (RNM) without any informations on each car:

 

Testarossa:

1990 red 35,000 / 66255 RNM

1992 512 tr black 78,000 / 11886 RNM

1988 red 75000 / 80000 / 65000 / 66766 / 70100 / 50900 all RNM

1988 white 70700 / 75255 RNM

1986 red 10000 / 40000 / 62555 / 50200 RNM

1988 burgundy 50000 / 65855 / 55655 RNM

 

1998 355 red spider 40600 RNM

 

360:

2002 red spider sold 52,000

2001 silver coupe 60100 / 61500m or best offer/ RNM

2002 modena black 22100 / 25000 / 20100 / 50100 / 40600 /40100 RNM

2001 yellow BUY IT NOW at 45800

2001 yellow spider 49800 RNM

2003 red 54900 BUY IT NOW

2001 red 52200 RNM

2001 silver sold at 45950 BUY IT NOW

1999 red coupe 59100 RNM

 

456 1997 auto black BUY IT NOW 30750 (today)

 

Michael Savard (1981 308 GTSi)

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