In MIL going to burner !
I met him and his wife many times at Ted Rutlands events I just felt that he never pressed the dealers for actual selling prices and came up with his own index with dealers looking the other way Plausible deniability at its best ! The dealers gave his publication credibility on prices which he knew were inflated and realistic For years I worked off and on with Ted Rutlands helping him pull apart cars He knew what the cars cost at the dealers Everyone of them And he told me what I should pay for one The hype that the FML perpetuated was criminal at best I am glad that bring a trailer is out there Along with eBay,car.com and the rest You can see the cars,email the owners it’s a much more transparent venue FML It used to be FML had all the Ferraris that were for sale Not anymore If FML were smart they would put a huge disclaimer on their asking price index In bold print not mice type FML is on life support if you ask me No one with half a brain and 6 figure money to spend on a car would ever consider buying a car at any of the prices listed in that bathroom publication Same goes with CAV Stupid kills Just not fast enough!
Out of burner Combat decent !!
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Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. C., Sections 2510-2521, and is intended only for the persons or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, copying, forwarding or distribution is prohibited. This email transmission, and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is priviledged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information containes in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail at Clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com or by telephone at (678 6419932)and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. On Nov 11, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Robert Garven <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Friends,
I agree here with Jeff, Gerald was a significant figure in the Ferrari community and was always kind to me.
Whether you agree with the prices he posted, when I was looking for a vintage V12, that was the first magazine I subscribed to, looking to find sellers. All the magazine trade in politics concerning prices, whether it is asking, selling or value. I got in a small scuffle with the guys at Cavallino when they were saying the highest price of a GT4 was 25K, after 3 just sold for 150K+. To me it is not wether you agree with the numbers, but rather if they are accurate or not. That is what is really going on, but as we have seen even on BAT some cars sell for prices that are insane to others!
Gerald was based in the Atlanta area and curious if Clyde you ever got to met him? All the guys at FAF gave me the utmost support in being a young guy that wanted a Ferrari someday and I think they are one of just a few that were like this, including Peter’s friend in Montreal. I agree with 99.9% of anything Clyde says but think he may be being a bit harsh. Like Jeff said every issue had an in depth look at different models, including the GT4 and what to look for for prospective buyers. And love it or hate it is is part of the trinity of Ferrari mags…
Rob
<ferrari heart.jpg> FML has a very important history. Gerald Roush was a trained historian and approached tracking the early Ferraris seriously (as opposed to many others back then that told/repeated rampant falsehoods). As part of that Gerald kept files on every Ferrari serial number he could. That is why serial numbers are required whenever there is an ad in FML.
FML was created when Gerald was still working at FAF in Atlanta at a time when there might be ads in R&T, Autoweek, Sunday NYT and Sunday LA Times. FML provided a way to find a large portion of the assorted Ferraris for sale in a single place. Gerald also reviewed the submissions to avoid a seller making spurious claims about provenance. Plus, Gerald wrote a cover article on some aspect of Ferrari-ness. These were in the days prior to Cavallino and Forza.
Some here take pleasure in deriding how FML uses asking prices for their valuation guides. Stop and think about it. To what degree would you be confident that either a buyer or seller is (a) going to divulge a transaction price and (b) if they do, will it be fully accurate. For a very small operation like FML putting together a publication every 2 weeks, how much sense would it make for them to chase across the US and the rest of the world talking to pricing sources that might or might not have their own agendas. Maybe it is more relevant to using the % +/- section of the guide to gauge seller sentiment.
FML does regularly give auction results if one wishes to see some actual transaction prices. I also never understood or paid much attention to FML.
And charting asking prices was more than a little odd.
If it wasn’t for Clyde, I would never be reminded that it still existed! Correct price? Willing seller – willing buyer It’s been years since I last read/subscribed to FML. I knew they referenced a select number of typical sources to base their asking price lists, but has it been updated to include sites like BaT and eBay? ASKING and SELLING are two completely different things. A person can ask all they want, it only takes one (or more) willing to buy it at that price, if they think it’s worth it. At least with BaT, you can call up a particular model and see the range in prices. I shake my head when I see certain cars that fetch phenomenal amounts and others that I feel should get a lot, don’t. Peter Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I went to the Italian Car show in Atlanta this Saturday And there were free copies of the Yellow Sh$t rag Ferrari Market Newsletter I opened one up and read it 488 PISTA SPYDER going for are you ready $695k There’s is fiberglass 308 you can get for only $315k The 550 crowd has finally gotten realistic with there ASKING PRICE and Clyde PRICING has hit the 575 market so now is the time guys On another note the FML is truly dead! bring a trailer has reset the pricing on Ferrari’s with realistic numbers not ASKING PRICES that don’t reflect the market whatsoever If you believe those numbers You also believe the Jets can win the Super Bowl ! There’s some guy in Nebraska that’s owns a superamerica and he wants $485k He has a spare top with the car too! I feel for the 355 crowd, especially the ones who paid 6 figures for the spyders Those cars are like BMW 7 series in pricing ! There was a ROMA at the show, it was being held at Ferrari of Atlanta and they were giving demo rides in the car. The front spoiler on that car is very low, almost as low as the one on my 512 TR But my spoiler can be removed and fixed Not this one, and get this the sensor for the distance measurement while driving is exposed on the right front, it’s the size of a small box about the size of your cell phone. Nothing covering it! It’s out there to be hit by anything in the road, unbelievable Denise has a 450SL with that same magic system and MB puts it behind very hard fiberglass and you can’t even see it from the outside. WTF was Ferrari thinking. It has to be an after thought, like holly shit, MB has this system let’s put in our latest car, F@ck where do we mount the sensor? Just put it there Luigi, no one will say a thing, were Ferrari, remember ! Brian I know your read the post. Pull up the the replacement cost on the front spoiler and electrical box when you get a chance and post it See if you can post a picture of the front of the car as well Overall it was a good show, the weather cooperated ![]() RF4-4EVR
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