Ferrari Mailing List: Re: The Ferrari 348 is Actually Quite Good (As Long as It's From the Right Y...

[CL (cmlf1]

Dealers try and talk you out of paying cash. There is much more profit on the financing and BS on top of the vehicle than the margin on the car itself.

Wheel/tire insurance, key insurance extended warranties etc. are all where thee meat is now.

On February 8, 2021 at 2:02 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

 

The other side of this coin are the dealerships and the salespeople...

Most don't even know the specs... if they do they get them wrong.

But... they can tell you 7 ways from Sunday how to finance it.

Tell them you are paying cash and they look like a 3 yo who isn't getting a lollipop.

That said, 348...  in 1991, Luca di Montezemolo was given one for his use the first day he took over at Ferrari.  It broke down on his way home.  He never drove it again.

On Monday, February 8, 2021, 10:37:28 AM PST, CL <cmlf1 [at] optonline.net> wrote:

Lashdeep, you hit the nail on the head. Does 0-60 and 1/4 mile times matter in anything but marketing, and why do they if you are not drag racing?

That is what American consumers are concerned with, simple numbers.

On February 8, 2021 at 1:11 PM LSJ <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Carl, you saved me from writing my part 2 reply on American magazine road tests...thank you. :)

As much as it really kills me to say this, I have almost dismissed all vintage American car magazine reviews.

There are exceptions, of course, but most are far too casual and superficial.

As you said, there is a big difference between the technically minded Euro automotive journalists compared to the ones on this continent.

Beyond these qualifications, the driving environment is very different too. Attributes that are important here are not even mentioned over there. There is a huge emphasis on high speed dynamics and safety.

Also, the testers overseas have more access to the factories where these cars are produced which gives them a better understanding for their intended use and dynamic personality.

LSJ

On Monday, February 8, 2021, 12:32:27 PM EST, CL <cmlf1 [at] optonline.net> wrote:

Most automotive magazine reviewers are " journalists" not professional drivers or even know how to hold a screwdriver, never mind turn a wrench on a car. You are taking a journalists opinion on vehicle driving dynamics. Look the Doug Demuro and Tyler Hoover. 2 of the biggest YouTube auto reviewers and personalities and neither of them admittedly can change a flat tire. DeMuro is not a trained driver, mechanic, nor engineer, but he is the most watched auto review personality in the US and possibly globally.

How do you take a driving review of a vehicle from someone who has the training ad skill of the average driver?

How do you take the quality or fit and finish review of someone who has never designed, repaired or assembled a vehicle?

Most American magazine auto journalists do not have any special skill or training. I remember even as a kid thinking  after reading an article and review of the Nissan Maxima "hey, they are raving about the new Nissan Maxima like it was the greatest car ever produced" and then realize before the article there is a 4 page advertisement for the car...

I always take reviews as entertainment with a grain of salt and not much more.

Carl

On February 8, 2021 at 12:20 PM LSJ via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

There was a setup problem with that C&D car. There may have been a driver problem too...

A friend was a top level US automotive journalist at the time of 348 intro and he said the car was very good.

All of the other period road tests really liked the chassis manners, especially the Euro magazines who put more emphasis on high speed manners.

Spacers help any car but a "Challenge" style alignment and ride height setting with proper maintenance always ensured excellent high speed handling on the 348.

LSJ

 

On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 11:12:26 PM EST, Hans E. Hansen <flist [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:

I do remember period magazine articles mentioning high speed instability. Car and Driver had to abort a top speed run for that reason on an early model. So one of the bulletins had to do with mods to keep the thing on the road. Included stuff like rear wheel spacers to increase rear track width, and a host of spring and shock mods. I'm sure Brian and others will chip in....

Hans. 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021, 6:58 PM Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Can someone point me to these service bulletins?  A quick search turned up very little.  And what were all these warranty claims related to?

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