The latter is debatable. Those dealers try to harder than any Ferrari of X store does, no lube either. Just saying.
Yes Erik, but, you can't drive them or f***
them!!!
Ferraris as art?
I never had to change the timing belts on the Rodin sitting in the other
room, or the Picasso upstairs in my wife’s studio...
Congrats on being able to afford that. But art matters to some
people. And that is where Ferrari/Pininfarina excels. And, in my
opinion, the 80s and 90s Ferraris have the most beauty/$. And even the
80s cars have become inaffordable for some of us. Some of the 2000s
Ferraris are nice looking and almost affordable. I really like the
California and the 550.
If art doesn't matter, why not buy a Tesla Roadster? Faster 0-60
than a Chiron by a bit. Almost the same top speed that nearly no one
will ever approach in real world driving. $200k vers $2.7M.
If both art and performance matter, the Tesla is still the winner, in my
opinion. I have never been a fan of the looks of Bugatti.
As for reliability, they all suck. It is just to what degree.
For those of us who can work on them ourselves, it is a good hobby that keeps
us off the couch.
Spot on.
What really chaffs me about that era is actually the EB110.
Ferrari put ALL their effort into sabotaging that car because it really
exposed them for what crappy products they were putting out, rather than
accepting it for what it was (a better car built in the same neighborhood)
and raising their game accordingly. You can see the same games being
played with Koenigsegg today and why Pagani has pivoted to building art
instead of performance.
But nothing says screw you to Ferrari more than ordering a
Bugatti. Mine is now scheduled to arrive the week of July 12...
Admittedly,
the 328 is one of the best out there but they are not infallible.
The
328, the 3.2 Mondial, Testarossa and later versions all use the same type
of fuse box/relay board which are notoriously delicate and are quite prone
to being overloaded. It’s the kind of situation of not if but when. Babied
cars can last a while, but any that have had some use will inevitably have
some accumulated weakness. What modern car needs their electrical
control/nerve center replaced? Even my POS GM truck still has the same
relays and fuses from 1990 and that truck was abused throughout it’s life
(former workplace parts hauler and on-site service vehicle).
Same
goes for the 328 LED climate control buttons which were cool and high tech
in the ‘80s, but you’re pretty much SOL if they fail today.
cLyDe’s
beloved 512 TR have an underserved cooling system which he documented
upgrading to modern aftermarket rads. Again, I’ve never known a
production-line car needing a radiator upgrade with a stock set-up, unless
there’s been some egregious lack of maintenance (and cLyDe’s car would
definitely be well maintained as it’s lasted this long under his care with
the amount of mileage accumulated. And still...) or, has had some big
performance upgrade. Oooohh, let’s throw in transaxles that self-destruct
because Ferrari cheap'd out by using welded, case-hardened diff’s instead
of forging them in one piece like every other manufacturer out there
(that’s if the input shaft doesn’t shear off before the diff explodes. All
well known design and manufacturing faults).
A
lot of praise is heaped on the F1 transmission, but as much as the final,
single clutch variant is probably the most “reliable” out of the bunch,
what does one do when the bespoke hydraulic components crap out? It’s well
documented how the first gen systems were terrible and parts are NLA.
There’s a genuine reason why the market favors manual cars. cLyDe is
adamant that they’re too weak for these V-12s, but at least if you burn
out the clutch on those, you CAN limp it home (and nurse as much as you
can with clutchless shifts which are totally doable with a syncro box).
When the F1 fails, then what? Dial AAA and open yer wallet.
As
for the ‘60s? With the quality control issues of a fascist workforce, you
take a roll of the dice with that one. The only reason why they’re still
around today is they look pretty and were never cheap/disposable. Although
on that note, one of the old timers in the club here (Alfa guy) had
mentioned when I questioned why so few cars survived, he said “we just
drove them”. He drove his Alfa Giulietta Zagato even in the winter because
it was his daily driver! When the cars rusted out badly, they parted them
out and scrapped the rest. They weren’t made to last and nobody expected
they’d be worth so much in the future. They bought them because they
looked beautiful, were different than anything else on the road and were
fun to drive. BUT, you always had to work on them, like any car of that
era. Nothing was “reliable”. There were only cars that didn’t break down
as much as others.
Peter
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You’re
going to need time to hear the entire list.
It
may be easier to say which ones could be considered refined and reliable
by the time they made it into the customer’s
hands.
The
rest of them have flaws, some of them major.
Ferrari
has claimed they make cars similar to mistresses. The 348 and 355
are in the crack whore category...
I thought it
was the 348 you didn’t like.
Can you list
all of the FIAT era cars and tell us what you think of
each
Zooty
These cars
were problematic from day one
If Ferrari
put a horse on a turd it would sell
out!
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