I have the book, too. But not the carbon fiber version. I spent enough time in Japan looking at them, but they never grabbed me the way other cars do.
But then my taste is all in my mouth. On Aug 19, 2021, at 12:10 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
When the Flying Lizards were starting up, we hung around with each other and helped with each other's projects. Our car builder (Huffaker) was in the same building up on the hill at Sears as the Lizards. Seth had (has?) an F1 and I rode with him down to Laguna one weekend. Cool car for sure but a bit of a harsh ride on a trip. The most impressive figure.... was the cost of insurance. Seth had to call his agent every time he drove it and buy insurance by the hour... he wouldn't tell me how much that was, just that it was more on a per hour basis than a 747. He didn't drive it much.
Maybe cLyDe has an idea of what 747 insurance costs per hour....?
I know I was enamored with it... still have the launch book with the Carbon Fiber title page. It was a supercar game-changer. If I had enough money... I'd leave it in the bank.
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 08:55:47 PM PDT, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
At least Mr. Murray had the balls to get the project rolling, made one of the all-time great supercars and I respect him for that.
You gotta admit, back then and as much as it’s still relevant now, it was the fastest street car ever produced and only a handful have surpassed it to this day.
We are around the same age and I can bet you must have been quite enamoured with it when it came out. I know I was. Again, the old guard were in their rut and here comes this car with a clean-sheet approach, top-quality materials and construction
techniques and he knocks it out of the park. A clean design without cartoon aerodynamic add-ons and it hits a consistent, reliable, effortless 240MPH. How many billions did VW spend on the Veyron to make it perform only marginally better? You note that nearly
every street car makes a terrible race car, the F1 required very little to make it worthy and it was quite successful in various endurance programs, especially LeMans.
I don’t think we’ll ever see a car like it again. It almost justifies the crazy prices they’re getting now.
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Gordon is 100% convinced his shit doesn’t stink.
But I can’t elaborate further…
Clyde, you should relay your concerns to Bobby Rahal.
I met him at an Indycar race in 2012 and asked him about the NSX program.
He had good memories of it and said that it was a great car to drive if even a bit extreme for the average consumer.
Gordon Murray adored it too and used it to influence the F1.
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"Murray used the Honda to benchmark the F1 for a range of qualities, particularly suspension-related, and talks enthusiastically about its 'really skinny forged alloy
suspension links' and 'compliance pivot' secondary subframe design ... Uehara recalls this feature being a major pain to develop."
Classic Cars Magazine, Sep 2009, pg 71.
The Japanese have no panache
When people are going to drop huge dollars on a car they want that
Ferrari branding is all about that, T shirts hats all the stuff
But you can tell that to the Japanese
So they continue to build what they feel will sell to the high end market and continue to fail
The initial word on the NSX made it unobtainable, there we’re waiting list
The ass Jay Leno made it so
Then the real people started buying the electronic rice bowl
They were stacking up like cord wood at dealers, could move them
Sales incentives were like condoms at a Philippine steam bath
I saw a bright red one a my local Ferrari dealer, he traded it in on a 488
Talk about anal discomfort!
Your like the Soviet Union talking about landing on the moon
All they did was orbit the moon!
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Driving dynamics were a bit iffy on the first generation one. Much preferred the Lotus Elise.
You guys have heard my rants, I even told the guys at Honda (while sitting in a conference room at Tochigi) that the back of the car didn’t match the front of the car style wise. But what do you expect from a company where the top talent
was working on mini-vans at the time.
The chief engineer for the engine has been to my house for a scotch, he didn’t even try to sell me one.
Good cars, yes. Things you will see out side of their own branded museums in 30 years, nope.
Wish I would have picked up the 1st gen NSX before they shot up in price.
The induction noise on that car was worth the purchase price.
They were also verifiably lightweight. A milestone for sure.
It surely paved the way for the excellent Japanese junior supercars that followed.
RX TT, 300ZX TT, MR2 Turbo, Supra, Stealth R/T, etc.
The Japanese always got it.
They always came out with products to match the trends of the time, which were far better made than all of the rest. You name it, they excelled. That first gen NSX put everyone to shame, including your much derided 348.
I don’t know, with all of the carbon fiber bells-and-whistles at $183K, this last gen NSX is a pretty good deal than a lot of other exotica out there (so that formula is still at work to this day). The problem is, there’s so much choice
and the players have all stepped up their game since then. Yes, even Ferrari. My friend has owned his GTC4 Lusso Turbo since 2018 and other than routine maintenance, he hasn’t had a thing done to it. He just drives it and enjoys it (has already done a couple
of week-long road trips to California and Alberta with it). It has a lot more mileage on it than you think.
Besides, the money from this sale is going to a charitable organization, so maybe take some heart that it isn’t (all) going into some other rich guy’s pocket. And even then, the buyer owns several Acura dealerships, so some of that money
is going to get written off some how...
P.S. Hanging out at the McDonalds in West Vancouver (I kid you not!):
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The NSX fails again to capture the sports car market
The Japanese will never get it
The first 2022 Acura NSX Type S supercar was auctioned for $1.1 million to raise money for stem education. The buyer was NASCAR team owner Rick Hendrick
who also owns the first 2017 NSX.
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