Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Civilian Astronaut

[Rick Moseley (ramosel]

Nope, didn't say that...

Never have said that.

Never would say that.

Just part of a team that put their lives in harm's way.

Until you've been there and come out the other end, you DON'T KNOW.

Your legs must get tired jumping to all these (false) conclusions.

Liberal?

On Thursday, September 16, 2021, 10:01:57 AM PDT, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Ah yes, only pilots are courageous.  Astronauts are just stupid.  And anyone that doesn't risk their life is living a life without meaning.  I forgot....

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 12:54 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

You clearly have zero concept of what it means to "Go in Harm's Way".

Those aren't even sports... according to Hemmingway. (has to do with the etymology of sport)

On Thursday, September 16, 2021, 09:22:40 AM PDT, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

That may be on a wall at a base but it is wrong.  Courage is knowing the risks and consequences but doing it anyway because you believe the rewards are worth it.  Fearless is being too stupid to understand the risks and consequences, nevermind being able to do a risk/reward analysis.  Reckless is knowing the risks and consequences but doing it always, even if it isn't justified by the rewards.

You don't need to be a fighter pilot to see all three.  Just play a team sport at the high school or college level.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:07 AM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Help me out here, Clyde…. Is it Brooks AFB where the centrifuge is?

My first time there I noticed a sign as you entered the chamber to the centrifuge.  It read:  

Courage can be defined as:

The absence of FEAR

Or

The presence of STUPIDITY

Preparation separates the two

Actually, you have quite a bit of control at Mach 2.   There is an abundance of air flow on the control surfaces.  It just takes a light hand.   Even a Mach 3 ejection is survivable- Bill Weaver.   

A simple depressurization in space is fatal.  Those suits they are wearing have no ELS provisions.  (unlike Apollo)

The whiz kids are damn good.  Those landings amaze me, wish they could fix the video…

On Sep 16, 2021, at 4:40 AM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Yes, that is true and it is why it takes a special person to be willing to take that risk.  The first time I saw a Mercury capsule up close I was amazed.  It takes some major balls to be shot into space in that corrugated tin can!  

Ultimately, a couple of things are true.  First, we all die and our lives are but a snap of the fingers, cosmically speaking.  Second, control is an illusion.  How much control does a pilot really have at Mach 2?  You are just as much at the mercy of the engineers that designed the machine as these people are.  The emergency abort on Dragon is probably safer than ejecting at Mach 2.  Remember, this is the team that figured out how to land a rocket on a floating helicopter pad in the ocean.  Infallible?  No.  But pretty damn good!

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 12:03 AM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

The Crew Dragon and the Cargo Dragon avionics are very similar.  Crew Dragon does offer limited ability to override some automated functions via a touch screen with what they call "Manual Interfaces"... but nothing like real reaction controls... Behnkin and Douglas did test these Manual Interfaces. But this crew is pure civilian.  Should they get into a Gemini 8 type situation and they have no pilot controls and no Armstrong...  They're screwed.

Automation is a wonderful thing.  When it works.

All those lines of code are written by people and we are fallible.

You can only correct what you know, not what you don't.

At 17,000+ MPH things go wrong quickly.

Call a Mayday...  no one is coming.

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 06:32:46 PM PDT, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I believe they can take control if desired.  The first crew tested manual control.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:06 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Agreed.

Also, no longer under crew control.

What was it the original 7 fought for.... control

otherwise, they were just "Spam in a Can"

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 06:03:26 PM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

No way

There is no backup in space no alternate either!

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:57 PM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Was watching the civilian SpaceX launch and was wondering if Clyde would go if possible.  What say you Clyde?  You could be the pilot.

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