I have mentioned here before that some years ago after my Dino 308gt4 dropped an exhaust valve through the top of a piston and totally lunched the motor, so then I fitted a 328 motor with Motec and EFI - sorry Rob - terribly unoriginal and that magic Weber induction noise is gone, but then again, so is that stink of petrol fumes in the cabin! Anyway, with this setup I set the rev limiter at 7,700rpm and on a closed road a few years back I hit the limiter in top gear. I was not looking at the instruments at that time as I was too concentrated on just driving, but by calculation this was about 261kph or 162mph. Of course, the gt4 shape is a wedge with no spoiler, and so to Hans’s point about the spoiler, the old girl was very floaty at that speed, and although I’m glad I pushed the old girl to that limit on that occasion, I don’t really want to do that again in that car. I must say, however, that it is as stable as a rock up to about 230-240kph. More dramatically about unwanted lift at speed, think about the 1999 Le Mans when Mark Webber and Peter Dumbreck each flipped their Mercedes during practice – scary stuff! Cheers, Grahame Had a long lunch with Tom Tjaarda some 15 years ago. He related that his original drawings for the Pantera had a chin spoiler. Somewhere along the way to production it got removed. He said he drove an early production car at (high) speed, it had bad lift, and contacted them "put the spoiler back on!" A really nice Pantera just went up for sale on BAT. No, Mikey is a real person. Mike Drew aka "Sparky" One of my dearest and longest term friends. Current Air Force Reserve C-5 Pilot Sometimes American Airlines Pilot (when he absolutely has to work) He really prefers to be "gainfully unemployed". Probably the worlds biggest resource on all things Pantera. He has probably been involved in the sale of more Panteras than Lincoln/Mercury, and has never taken a dime. He probably has more seat time in (other people's) sports cars than anyone on the planet. I don't think he's ever met Steve Jenkins It'd probably mean I get to fix it, he'd get to drive it! Give MD the rear 1/2 and you take the front! Nah, I'd probably have to cut Mikey in for a share.... Rick, we can share the 456! Clyde, are you accepting me into your clueless about *current* car values club? Can we coordinate complaint posts about recent auction results? I know, it was really directed at Peter but wanted to get my color order in without stepping on Lash's toes. You’re wasting your time with Lash He has no concept on vehicle value whatsoever ![]() RF4-4EVR
Scars are Tattoos with better stories ! If you have no enemies, you have no character ! Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. C., Sections 2510-2521, and is intended only for the persons or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, copying, forwarding or distribution is prohibited. This email transmission, and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is priviledged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information containes in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail at Clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com or by telephone at (678 6419932)and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. So basically, you'd like a 550 at 456 prices. Contrary to Mr. B... make mine black. Agree on your specs…lots of style, noise and hustle for the $$$. Find me a Nero/Bordeaux example please… For what it’s worth, I love the 456 and would consider one, but here’s what I’d want: -Imported or import myself a Euro model from 1994. -Six speed manual. Why? The 1994 Euro models didn’t come with airbags. After nearly 30 years, I wouldn’t trust the bag fabric or explosives in an accident. Seatbelts have worked for the last 60+ years and even with aging, it’s simple and not that costly to replace. Oh, and the air bag ECUs easily fry if you jump-start a dead 456/550. Those ECUs are NLA. You can’t sell a car with an airbag fault/error code (unless you want to accept that liability in case the next owner has an accident). Besides, I hate the look of the fat steering wheels of the airbag cars. The Euros used slender three-spoke designs. The automatic transmissions in these 456s were bespoke items using parts that are now NLA (see the theme?). The same reason why I wouldn’t touch a single-clutch F1 system from a modern, 2000s-era Ferrari. Not that a manual clutch job would be easy to do on a 456, but at least it’s still do-able and the parts are available. Other, unavoidable weak points on the car are the power windows and the rear shock absorbers. The factory fixes never fix the problems and they continue to break. Mike Sheehan sold one several years ago and when I read the service report, the rear shocks were changed on that particular example every year... Peter Sent from Mail for Windows Yes, it is all about you. 1. The 456 was released in 1992, not 1989, and only shared its stroke with the 348. It is as similar to the 550 as it is the 348. And the 575 is based on the same Dino platform. Technology advances. That is why it is $40k and not $140k. 2. A lack of records doesn't make a car a "parts car". That is just a ridiculous statement. 3. As stated earlier, insurance will pay for replacement body panels. 4. If you hate automatics, fine, not for you but that isn't relevant. Auto or not, this seems like a great deal. And, like any slush box, they are reliable if properly maintained. Given its pedigree, parts are readily available and cheap. And, yes Clyde, slush box refers to a hydro-auto and not a manual. Thank you Erik No one believes me anymore! Scars are tattoos with better stories! ![]() When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!
Buy the hood, get the rest of the car for $15k.... Go price a Mercedes V12 of the same era, there is a reason that these are all ten cents on the original dollar cars. Enthusiasts/masochists, toMAto, tomato... Like I said This is a moving parts car for the 456 crowd Some 456 owners need to get together and by it for parts Scars are tattoos with better stories! ![]() When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!
That's almost tempting at that price point. Besides the fact that it's automatic, besides the fact that it isn't pristine, besides the one stupid issue they have that I know about with windows, what are the downsides/risks? First thing is "some recent service," what does that mean? In other words, when was the last "major service" and when is it due next? What is the extent of a normal "major service" on a 456, and can an owner do it? I haven't done it in a while but I can do a major service (cam belts, tensioners, valve adjust, etc) on my 308 in a weekend, but my impression is that the newer and more complex the car is the less owner-serviceable it is, and I assume that's the case here. _________________________________________________________________
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