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Clyde Romero
If you have no enemies You have no character !
Scars are tattoos with better stories! ![]() When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!
On Oct 7, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
What were the Fast Packs with "augmented thrust"? air breathing or rocket? Your guys would talk about them... but I just figured it was brain trauma from "dead bug".
On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 07:35:10 AM PDT, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Yep The F-15 would need fast packs and they were at Kef on alert From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 9:59 AM
To: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space... A lot of what the SRs (out of Lakenheath) were tasked to do was at the behest of Navy Brass needing to know what was going on at the Kola Peninsula. You guys would send out a section of KCs that ran a refueling track somewhere over the Barents Sea. Too far out for the F-15s to cover. We were deck launched and dirty to go do what the Air Force couldn't do, only our missions were called HAVCAP... High Asset Value. Soviets would launch out of Olenya and come screaming out over Sweden to catch an SR slowing down to get a drink. We were nose hot and AWACs would vector us onto the MiGs. As soon as they picked up the AWG9, they'd slow down and go home. They wanted no part of an Aim54... death from above. This was all done without radios, just mic clicks. After the SRs came off the tanker they did what they called a "dipsy-doodle". They'd move off/up 10,000ft, nose over and push the throttles forward. That way they were going downhill and accelerating quickly through trans-sonic, then pull the nose up and wait for the base turbojet engine to push them up onto spike/bypass speeds and into cold, cold air. One of us, "Lone Ranger", would do the same from behind and higher. If timed right, you could come up abeam to them at about Angels 35-40 until the Spike hit (think coming up on the expansion chamber on a 2 stoke motor cycle). It was like they had another afterburner and bye-bye... we'd fall off them and they headed upstairs at a phenomenal rate. I was always an early bird, so I took early (mid rats) morning missions all the time. To catch an SR at Full Tilt Boogie in the dawn sky was a sight to behold... 150ft of exhaust plume filled with shock diamonds visible to the naked eye! Every time I'd marvel at what God had given man's mind with a slide rule the ability to create. I'm sure Rooter can find us a picture... Spot on Rick I was with an F-15 that were on CAP to protect AWACS during an operation where the SR were acting like Foxbats to shoot down the AWACS. You could lock up the SR but by the time you got in position to fire the VC was negative big time ! ![]() RF4-4EVR
Scars are Tattoos with better stories ! If you have no enemies, you have no character ! Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U. S. C., Sections 2510-2521, and is intended only for the persons or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, copying, forwarding or distribution is prohibited. This email transmission, and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is priviledged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information containes in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail at Clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com or by telephone at (678 6419932)and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. The F-22's real claim is stealth and maneuverability. The F-22 can also cruise supersonic without after-burner... no easy task. Mach 2+ is fast. I've been there. Above that there are huge stresses and heat issues. Exponential. Kelly Johnson was a genius above geniuses... geniuii? When you learn what they had to do to get (what became) the SR-71 in the air it is mind-blowing. Acid for break fluid, tires that could take temperature swings at pressures that would kill your road car tires. The movement of the inlet spike (Ben Rich) where 80% of the power came from, the J-58 motor... we could spend a week discussing how they moved 3 Olympic swimming pools worth of air through 6 tubes the size of your toilet drain every second. The cockpit glass came from your neck of the woods... and was it special. The Russians never did get on top of that issue. I saw Mig-25s and 31s flying half blind because most of their windscreen was burned from trying to catch SRs. Yeah, the Russians could get to Mach 3, but they couldn't stay there... and they paid dearly in damage every time they did. Mach 2.25 is probably like everything else... advertised. Safe to assume reality is a bit higher. Still, the difference between Mach 2 and Mach 3 is HUGE. Not a trifling step up the ladder. On the topic of airplanes, since we never discuss that here, what do you guys think about Bernie saying a 6T budget is not enough? We refused to restart F22 production, which would have doubled the fleet for 50B, because that was inconceivably high. Now they toss around trillions like it is chump change. And what to invest in given the almost certain hyperinflation that is coming? Commodities and TIPs don't seem to be moving. Perhaps inflation is already baked in? Also, is the F22s top speed really only Mach 2.25? That seems low. Out of Hamilton, inverted at Angels 61, between Shasta and LA... You could have fallen out and landed in my pool! Hamilton!
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 10:49 AM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space... Were you coming out of Hamilton? or Beale? Had no compressor stalls or anything. I was at VMAX at 35k, think that I was doing about 1.4 indicated and snapped up on the U-2 with about a 40-45 degree pitch angle. Coming over the top inverted, I had to hold 1/2 G to keep from Pitching Up (or down). I could see Mt Shasta and parts of LA. It was quite dark above me. I let the nose slowly down to a 45 degree dive angle and accelerated to 450kias before I rolled out and came out of A/B. I was so in the moment during the whole intercept that I never thought about going above 50k without a Pressure Suit til I was back on the ground. Yes we had the long A/B on the J-57 and the B model was the fastest 101 at 1.8 Mach. It was a Pig to fly though. Never heard about putting the J-79 into the Voodoo
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:36 AM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space... Luke, was the B model the one that used the J-57 with the long AB? Still, 61k in a Voodoo…. with a J-57… That thing must have been gasping for air. I know with the F-4 on the horizon, the guys at Wheelus talked about a Voodoo with J-79s… did that ever happen? _________________________________________________________________
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