Britt owns one of those black market recycling places in Iraq and Paris
Clyde Romero
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On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:36 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
Interesting.
Thanks Britt!
On Monday, January 3, 2022, 11:30:26 AM PST, BRITT ROTHMAN <britt2asa [at] aol.com> wrote:
It can be recycled but there is zero value in what comes out. So you have to pay to have it recycled. The NMC cells have value in the material so are recycled for free as the recycler can make new cells with the material. Here in Europe if you buy a battery you have to recycle it so either you pay for the LFP to be recycled ( it’s cheaper to buy and less energy dense however) or you buy NMC and people will take it off your hands a EOL for free. Lots of cars use NMC but some are starting to use LFP due to price.
LFP is made by the Chinese and heavily subsidised by the Chinese government to keep it cheaper than NMC ( European, Japanese and Korean made). The only reason it is cheaper is because of the heavy subsidies from Chinese government to try to corner the market for the past 15 years in Lithium batteries. In many parts of the world it’s all about price and only price.
BR Sent from my iPad On 3 Jan 2022, at 20:22, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
I'd read the recyclable content of LFP to be something like 5%... or is it really "not at all"?
One of the things I read said the most recyclable part of an LFP was the box they are shipped in.
On Monday, January 3, 2022, 10:45:32 AM PST, BRITT ROTHMAN <britt2asa [at] aol.com> wrote:
I’ve personally visited the huge Northvolt recycling plant here in Sweden. NMC can be recycled to new cells fully. LFP not at all but it’s cheap so guess what people go for. (80 percent of our output is NMC batteries but in most the world the Chinese control the LFP market and cells with their garbage.
BR. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jan 2022, at 17:22, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
And a rapidly depleting resource.
Not to mention regular meltdowns inside the EPA where they are having aneurysms over stockpiles of spent lithium whatevers piling up all over and half their top administrators saying "shhhhhhh.... green new deal, we can't tell the public"
On Monday, January 3, 2022, 07:46:40 AM PST, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
The industry has a rude awakening coming. Lots of misallocated capital. As The Godfather said
Just make them an offer they couldn’t refuse! Clyde Romero
If you have no enemies You have no character !
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I’m in the lithium battery business. We have to order 2 years in advance to get cells. ( non Chinese ones but even those are 1 year plus lead times). Suppliers then say they are raising prices by 20 percent despite the agreed and confirmed orders. ( these are legal contracts on buying cells with millions of USD each). If you don’t want to pay then no worries, there are literally 50 customers in line behind you that will pay and will take anything you don’t want . ( kind of like buying a new Ferrari I guess). Want to argue? Your supply chain vanishes….. I was taught JIT as the absolute 100% way to run a business back at UF in the late 80s, business school. It’s all wrong now. Everyone is building and buying warehouses. Just in Time doesn’t work when you have no control on shipping prices and time plus the modern pandemic world. We see 6 month leadtimes on parts that were 3 weeks just a year ago. It’s Just NOT in Time now in manufacturing.
Britt in Stockholm
Our company went big (had to, no choice) for this a few years ago when we were bought out.
Great concept, but it’s amazing how everything goes for shit when one doesn’t put back a particular part/tool after it’s use.
And as Rick pointed out, “on time supply” has killed a substantial part of our business, certainly amplified because of COVID... We had to scramble at some points because we got surprise notices from our suppliers that some items were back
ordered for MONTHS. How do you tell a customer that when they expect to be back on the road within an hour or two?
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I’ve been out of it for a bit. Does this program have anything to do with a W. Edwards Demings process?
Doug
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The same theorem applies to flat surfaces in my shop…
Yeah – but be careful . . . nature abhors a vacuum. Pretty soon it’s all filled up.
It really become a mess. Especially if I want the blue GT 40 off the rack in the back, man, I have to move a lot of cars.
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Doug
(oh, mine? Hoo Hah – this is Hillbank Motorsports garage in Irvine, CA. Nice guys.)
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