Twin-Turbocharged 1983
From: Douglas Anderson (dntdock.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 17:03:51 -0800 (PST)

Thanks Lash – more TAG pics?  Yep . . . . someplace.  I’ll snoot about and send some to you.

 

After I made contact with the factory race engine team Porsche had brought out, post turbo, a 12 cyl normally aspirated engine for Footwork/Arrows F1 team.  So I inquired about obtaining one of the blocks etc.

 

Serge was met with a response - Not so fast there.  Turns out the Footwork engine was a dude.  Really bad.  Porsche allegedly gathered them all up, sawed them into pieces, and put them in the recycle bin with a guard.  Hey, we don’t want any of our bad secrets to get out.  Alas.  I did find a real warm Footwork Porsche F1 jacket tho.  Guess they had boxes and boxes of them.  Ah ah ah.

 

Yeah – I’ll find those other pictures. 

 

As far as tearing it down – pretty vanilla ice cream.  Nothing bolted together.  To move it tho I had to take it down to each major piece.  Those parts were heavy but expected to be.  After all the engine was a stressed part of the frame / transmission.  Oil pan, cylinder block top, two heads, two in inch high magnesium valve covers, and the magnesium front oil pump cover.  I never was able to source out anything else for the motor like water pump housings or intake manifolds.  Once again, alas.

 

Cheers

Doug

 

From: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:11 PM
To: Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>; The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring a Trailer

 

Doug, this a gem of a story…as usual from you.

 

Any other pics of the engine? Have you taken a look inside it?

 

Or, maybe I should ask how many minutes did it take you to tear it open??

 

:)



On Dec 28, 2021, at 00:52, Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:



How’d I get a TAG engine?  Short story:  Now I gotta find that little pile of papers and stuff.  Two house moves will kill any file system of the first order.

 

(dig dig, root root) Ahh – here they are . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Picture this – May, 1993, Terri and I, as fools for their respective company’s, used to work half days on some Saturday’s.  Me south of her in downtown L.A. and her north of me in Glendale.  I’d drop her off, go into L.A. line up the ducks for the next week, futz around till noonish, and head back north to pick Terri up.  Nothing to do at her office ‘cept read some racing rags I’d bring along.  One such rag was Autoweek, May 17, 1993.

 

There – in the stuff for sale was a smallish ad – “TAG McLaren F1 Engines.  Own a piece of history.”  The Motorsport Collector [Paul Zimmerman].

 

Bang – I am on the phone.  Terri hears me rattling around outside her office (way before I had a cell phone) and asks – what are you doing?  I reply – buying an engine.  Oh, she says, what ever.  And goes back to work.  Heh heh.

 

At the end of July a large Air Express International semi truck pulls up to house just after dinner and with a lot of racket – and paper work – delivers one tiny strapped down engine on a pallet.  Cool. 

 

I call Freeman Thomas.  Freeman, among other things such as designing the Audi TT, and part of the “concept car” that was a thinly disguised VW Beetle – which it became (good story on that too), shoots over with several German magazines showing his desk in the Porsche design studio.  He hooks me up with a fellow at Porsche, Serge Dubuc, who in turns meets up with Metzger – the racing boss.  Metzger gets someone to pile through the files and gives Serge a bunch of test papers, line drawings, and articles, all in German.  These include a summary of the podium motors. Copies only, drat.

 

Its from those papers I note that my motor, TTE-PO-22, has two numbered wins at Imola and Prost’s DQ.  1.8 kilos under weight.  Tut tut laddie.

 

In August I’m on the road to Pennsylvania, but on the weekends, we’re on our own.  New Jersey English Town drag strip here I come.  There I meet an acquaintance, Cruz Pedregon, and garner a funny car piston and connecting rod from him.  Insane Flaming Frank Pedregon’s son.  I bundle those up and send them off to Serge at Porsche as a thank you. 

 

He replies the other Porsche engine fellows are amazed at the size of the components and beating they take for just a few runs.  For instance the wrist pin pounds an oval clearance into the piston and the rod shows both compression and stretch marks.  I was told they use aluminum rods because it does work with the motor rather than fight it and break as titanium might.

 

Big Funny Car engines are 500 ci.  Parts that break the most often:  exhaust valve push rod lifters.  That’s why the exhaust valves are quite a bit smaller, at least then, than intakes – they need to exert tons of pressure to penetrate the cylinder pressure.  Lifter size?  Exceeds 1 inch.  Then.

 

Terri is a good sport and let me place the motor on a stand in the family room.  Gotta tell you – that is one amazing piece of engineering.  I just enjoy looking at it.  Compared to the rest of the car . . . it’s tiny.  Doesn’t look like it could get the job done.  But it did.

 

Cheers

Doug

 

From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 10:25 PM
To: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>; Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring a Trailer

 

Yeah no kidding!

 

How the hell did you get your hands on that?!?

 

Peter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

From: Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari
Sent: December 24, 2021 8:05 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring a Trailer

 

Doug, you just broke the List!!

 

Greatest post here in years!

 

Thank you…

 

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

 

On Dec 24, 2021, at 03:22, Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:



Peter ponders “Let me guess, this is a paperweight on your desk?”

 

This is my paperweight . . . Prost’s engine with two wins.  Alas, disqualified

on the second win.

           

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1985
“The San Marino Grand Prix ended in farce when 
Alain Prost was disqualified two hours after

crossing the finishing line in first place after his car, which ran out of fuel on the warm-down lap,

was found to be two kilos underweight.”

Cheers

Doug

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