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From: Matt Boyd (ferrari308driver gmail.com)
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| Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 05:56:37 -0800 (PST) | |
I don't think I've ever had my 308 judged at an FCA event, but I have had my Phantom-III judged at RROC meets. For those who don't know, a Phantom-III is from just before WWII and is the only Rolls-Royce (pre-BMW) with a V-12. As such, it's a special car, but you don't see too many at RROC meets unfortunately. I've worked very hard as I restored the car to do everything with originality in mind, and thankfully things like adding seatbelts, adding external turn signals, adding a third brake light, etc are not points deducted as long as they look "period." To that end, I put 1950s vintage "D-lamp" lights on for the external turn-signals, etc.
Anyhow, one year the annual national meet was in Williamsburg, Virginia, and I was the only entrant in the "touring" division for Phantom-IIIs, and I was awarded a second place ribbon! You have to attain a certain point level to get a first place.
The very next year the annual national meet was in New Orleans, and I drove the car there from home in Virginia and this year I was once again the only entry in touring Phantom-IIIs, but I got a blue ribbon this year!! The head judge for this category was the same as the one who gave me the second place ribbon the year prior, and bless his heart, he came to me after judging and put his arm around me and thanked/congratulated me for making all the improvements I'd made to get the car from second place level to first place level. Only thing is -- between those two meets -- I had done nothing to the car but drive it! ;-)
-Matt
'85 308
'39 P-III
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:47 PM Brian Keegan <bks281 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
Rick, I respect your goal of sub-50 point car but the judges typically stop at about 70_________________________________________________________________points (30 points deducted.)
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On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
I think that is part and parcel of the "collector" mindset. Having ALL the original paraphernalia that went with the original object... whether it's a baseball, legos, Barbie dolls or Cars. Dare I say "watches"?? So many want the tools, the sticker, the luggage, the manuals, the polishing rags, the overalls, the UGLY RED athletic shoes. That is further driven by the "showing" mindset both by the owners and the judges at car shows. That piece of paper may be the one point that separates one car from the next car if judging means a damn to you. I still want to show the 308 some day but I'm going to be pissed if all the updates, changes and mods I did don't get me down below 50points.
On the other side of the coin you have the cLyDes... and to a certain extent, myself. It's got a motor, wheels and some means to make it go and stop, turn left and right. It's only worthwhile when moving with you inside or on top. The intrinsic value is automobile (or motorcycle), not dick medal. Being more happy on a long winding road with not another soul for miles than on a city street with everyone stroking your ego over YOUR car. I don't know about Clyde, but I was the same flying. Launch early in the morning, watch the sunrise, Cruising at .9 mach KIAS, listening the whine of the systems... heaven. Then the guy in the back seat starts talking about his wife having problems with the refrigerator back home and you select "cold mic" and twist the ICS volume down until you just hear the the engines whine and the air rush by.
Brian, I was really disheartened when you wrote this week of how you enjoyed the car business but how the people you had to deal with have soured the business of selling cars. You always seemed to enjoy making a living with these cars... sorry "people" have messed that up. But I understand it. You are always tops in my book for getting those distributor blanking caps... part of the sub 50 point count.
_________________________________________________________________On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 02:16:32 PM PST, Buxton Motorsports, Inc. Gmail <buxtonmotorsports [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Don’t really understand that. Window sticker is what a lot of people look for when buying something. It documents the options and just speaks to someone being meticulous with records etc. You can get options online now for most cars anyway, but even repro window stickers aren’t the same as factory.
Besides, original MSRP has nothing to do with value.
Brian E. BuxtonBuxton Motorsports, Inc.
Auto Acquisitions & ConsultingEvansville, IN
Mailing Address:5411 State Route 261Unit 903Newburgh, IN 47629-0923
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On Feb 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Naw BrianYou know I am rightThis joker left the window sticker on the car for a reason.He thought he had the next AC CobraThe time capsule caught up with him.
For the record when I get my 296GTB I am going the shred the window stickerThat’s so juvenileIt’s like saving a condom wrapperAnd I’ve already been ask by a RWG for my position in deliveryI told him please get in line like everyone elseWhen I do decide to sell it it will be to someone just like BrittAn enthusiastic individual who can appreciate the carNot some dealer who wants to capitalize on the car to some unsuspecting buyer with all the hype!
RF4-4EVR
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Clyde Romero
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On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Buxton Motorsports, Inc. Gmail <buxtonmotorsports [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Well is there only one way to enjoy a car (Clyde’s way?). Your way of enjoying something isn’t the only way, nor is it necessarily the correct way. That’s a personal choice of the person who owns the item.
He didn’t drive it more than a few times, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t enjoy it. It could have been taken to shows, concours events, used to market a business or just enjoyed in the garage. Maybe he enjoyed tripling his money on it. He kept it quite a while to just have bought it as a bauble. Ownership of something is enough for some people. All you can do with art is 1. look at it and 2. Make or lose money owning it. So is owning art stupid? I know people with expensive jewelry who won’t wear it because of the value. But they enjoy owning it. I know a couple of people with original AC Cobras who won’t drive them due to the value, but bought replicas of their cars that they drive all the time. So one is enjoyed without driving it and the other is used in the opposite manner. Are they right, wrong, stupid idiots? No because it’s their money and their choice. And they probably don’t have any interest in what anyone on the internet thinks.
As far as the car biz - I’m not in love with it or attached to it. It’s changed so much in the last 5 - 10 years I actually don’t enjoy it at all. Dealing with most people anymore is terrible. People on social media and the net in general are usually over-opinionated, obnoxious, can’t afford what they want to buy or are just general pains in the ass. Dealing with the govt regulations and expenses has made it barely worth the time or effort. The market the last two years has been fantastic if you’re selling something - but good luck finding something to sell. I haven’t been involved in it as my source of income for a few years. I actually wasn’t going to renew my dealer license this year but it’s my 25th anniversary so I figured I might as well go that distance.
I enjoy running businesses and I have always loved cars and car people. That how my business started. A hobby and passion that became a job. I was good at the job because of my existing knowledge and love for cars. I didn’t sit back and wonder what business I could start to “extrapolate the most money from someone,” although thats fine if that’s your opinion. I actually was accepted into a PhD psych program before I got into the car biz. If money were the driving factor I’d have gone that direction.
I don’t have the time to really explain how every facet of the business works, or why you got more money selling your 512 to a private buyer who knows you -vs- a dealer that has to recondition the car and market a 111,000 mile Ferrari to clients who don’t buy high mileage cars. No matter how nice they are. There are different markets for cars and some people can’t give away a Porsche 911 and others will have people fighting over the same car. If you had listed your 512 on the open market you would have had an idea of what the dealer would have had to deal with in order to sell it.
Is the point of running a business to sell an item for market value and pay your bills? Sure. Do you go to the grocery and argue about the cost of steak and bananas, or do you pay what they sell for because you want to enjoy steak and bananas? What you did selling your 512 was no different than what car dealers or anyone else does. If it wasn’t about money you’d have sold the car to the dealer and walked out with a check. Super easy transaction. But an easy transaction wasn’t the goal. Money was. You wanted what you thought was fair and what the market would bear. You wanted a stack of service records to mean more than 111,000 miles of use and wear and tear. So you held out for more. Are you any better than the people who do the same to make a living?
And PS you already told me what the car sold for. I actually guessed it correctly - based on 30 years of experience selling dreams covered in shit.
Brian E. Buxton
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On Feb 6, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
He didn’t enjoy the car BuxtonIt has no miles on it, ow he realizes what he hasThat’s the differenceI drove my 512 TR for 23 plus years and he blast he didn’tGet over itHe F%cked up thinking it would be a million plus carSo he got outed
You sell cars so your emotional tied to this industryNot meI see it for what it isYou want people like me to go into your place and spend huge sums of moneyOn rolling stock that when I want to sell it back to youYou give me pennies on the dollarWhen I took my 512 TR to the local dealer with 111k on itAn they knew how I maintained it and had service records on it and ask for an appraisalThey offered me $40kAnd no I m not going to tell what I actually sold it for unlessBrit tells not meYea that’s you and your industryYour sell dreams covered in you know whatI like you but stop thinking your not out to extract the most from the guyComing thru the door and telling him the truth about the car market!That’s why carvanna and the rest of the online car sales people are doing so wellAnd car dealers are a dying breed.
RF4-4EVR
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If you have no enemies, you have no character !
Clyde Romero
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On Feb 6, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Buxton Motorsports, Inc. Gmail <buxtonmotorsports [at] gmail.com> wrote:
But here is the problem. You could say that about anything you have, with the benefit of hindsight. What if your stock pick wasn’t Apple, but Enron? Then there would be zero money left. If you didn’t buy your house, a 512TR, any of the the other cars you owned since 2005, didn’t buy clothes, didn’t go out to eat etc then how much money might you have had IF you invested in the stock you would have invested in, but in 2022 didn’t invest in? And what guarantee is there that he or you or whoever would have held it until 2022?
Where is the line between investing every dime you have an living like a pauper your entire life, and buying cars you got to enjoy, a house that housed your family and built memories, dinners with friends and family etc? At what point do you stop looking at numbers on a screen and take out profits to enjoy your life?
These comparisons are useless. Did you buy Apple in 2005 and hold it until today? If not how are you smarter than they guy who owned and enjoyed a Ford GT for 17 years and made money on top of it?
Brian E. BuxtonBuxton Motorsports, Inc.
Auto Acquisitions & ConsultingEvansville, IN
Mailing Address:5411 State Route 261Unit 903Newburgh, IN 47629-0923
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On Feb 6, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Ok so this idiot paid $166k after taxes etc my guess $175k in 2005That’s what 17 years ago!Add insurance and storage feesAnd the car is only bringing right now under $500kIf this guy would have put that same amount in the market it would be well over $1 millionCan’t fix stupid….
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-ford-gt-52/
RF4-4EVR
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Clyde Romero
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