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From: Matt Boyd (ferrari308driver gmail.com)
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| Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:07:02 -0800 (PST) | |
The toolkit in my Mondial T only comes with a spare A/C belt... First, that’s more important than the alternator belt? Second, how the hell do you change it when you don’t have a jack? They never came with one. Nor did they come with a spare tire as standard – only a tire-in-a-can (which admittedly, I’ve used before with another car I had and worked surprisingly well. Got me a week’s worth of driving before I got the tire repaired).
Peter
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From: Matt Boyd
Sent: February 10, 2022 10:45 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Talk about stupid
The owners of pre-war Rolls-Royces, in my experience, are quite skilled at taking care of their car. I'm not sure what would cause one to need to replace a valve spring, but having taken my car quite a bit apart before, it's pretty trivial if you need to do that. One of my first RROC events was a tour and as I walked the parking lot, an elderly man was working on his Silver Ghost. He had the car running with the valve cover off and he was adjusting tappet clearance. On my cross-country drive from Virginia to California and back in 2011, I did quite a few things on my trip to include changing out the Pertronix ignition module on one of the distributors, swapping out a fuel pump, rebuilding the carbeurator, replacing the brushes on the dynamo (generator), and quite a few other things. I came prepared with lots of spares, and had a team of folks on standby to overnight me parts when needed. I drove that car 8,800 miles on that 3 week trip.
-matt
'39 P-III
'85 euro 308
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:39 PM Buxton Motorsports, Inc. Gmail <buxtonmotorsports [at] gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder how many Rolls owners have ever seen a valve spring much less changed one on the side of the road? 🤣
Brian E. Buxton
Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
Auto Acquisitions & Consulting
Evansville, IN
Mailing Address:
5411 State Route 261
Unit 903
Newburgh, IN 47629-0923
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On Feb 9, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to keep hijacking this thread to talk about my old Rolls, but part of its tool kit (which is in a big wooden drawer under the front seat) is several valve springs, you know, in case you need to change one out on the side of the road.
Oh, and the car has built-in jacks, too.
-matt
'85 308
'39 P-III
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:31 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
I agree in theory on the tools... practice, not so much.
On a Ferrari club event with the Shelby club, one of the guys in a 348 had a radiator hose start leaking at the clamp. No problem, whips out his Ferrari toolkit screwdriver to tighten it. The amber handle splits in two. Guy behind grabs his 512BB tool kit, same result. So now they have 2 screwdriver shafts and no way to get any torque on them. Ah, slip joint pliers... squeezed them around the screwdriver shaft and the slip joint skips over the pin... I pull up with the aforementioned "Mikey" in the Enzo Valdez and they both ask if I have a toolkit. Yep, but it's useless other than ballast. Pull out my leatherman and 2 minutes later we're all back on the road, down 3 useless/broken tools. No AAA cards were abused. After lunch the Guy in the 512 is flagging us down... shifter came off in his hands. Didn't have the right tool in his kit to put the clamshell back together. The closest thing he had just spun on the bolt and hogged out the tool. Fortunately the bolts were all under the carpet. Again, leatherman had a crescent. Really, the Ferrari tools are the only opportunity my Harbor Freight tools get a chance to laugh. I have them because they came with the car. I'd have never wasted money on them. I keep real tools in the car too. If I AM 247miles away I want something I can depend on. I don't remember who it was on this list that was selling them (20+ years ago) but he had red circular disc fabric tool bags that sit inside the spare. I bought two. The one in the Ferrari is full of Craftsman tools... not that they are great tools... but at least at that time, if you broke one on the road you could go by Sears and get a replacement. Don't know if that works anymore with Ace carrying their tools.
A good friend sold his Ferrari 355 probably 16 years ago... couldn't find the tool kit but told the purchaser if he found it, he'd mail it to him. New owner totals the car 6 months later. Tool kit forgotten. Friend is cleaning up his garage during the covid lockdown because he was looking for something to do. Finds the tool kit. Calls the owner, figured he still owed him the tools. Guy's son says keep them, his dad was shot/killed in Mexico in 2018. Calls someone at FCA and is told that tool kit is worth $X. He puts them on eBay but no one bites at that price... but, he got two or three people asking about specific tools and offering 1/2X for those tools. He splits the whole thing up and sells everything individually and makes 6 times X. Bought new tires for his 458 Speciale and a (used) Barrett MRAD 10. So the tools may be worthless as tools, but still have value.
On Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 11:24:29 AM PST, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, they are cheap looking but are there when you need them...
Rob brought up the time he used his with that guy’s 365 QM. I used my tool kit when I was on a drive with the Alfa Romeo club, when my buddy’s car had a leak at the radiator hose. Pulled out the cheapo screwdriver and tightened it up. Was good for the rest of the drive and the ride back home. The point of the toolkits is not to do regular service with them, but to get you out of a bind when you’re 247 miles away from any kind of dealer or service shop/garage.
Same thing with the Mondial. I went to change the plugs and none of the spark plug sockets I have fit. The toolkit has one and it’s actually top-grade USAG (it even has a circular magnet inside to grab and hold the plug, not just a rubber donut like all of the regular sockets on the market). The hex on the plugs is 18mm. With a modern fuel injected car like this, I won’t have to change the plugs on a constant basis, so I’ll just use this one from the kit when I need to. It’ll be in great shape for the rest of it’s life.
I guess I fall into all of these camps because I use my cars, I drive them, I take care of them and I want them to be complete. I’m not a concours guy, but I understand the importance of them and what role they play in the market and this hobby in general. I’m going to the FCA meet in July and I’ll bring the Mondial and enter it. I’ll make sure it’s working 100% and will complete the car as best as I can. If I don’t win an award? BFD. I’m going there as I’ve never been in all of these years of being a club member and I’m taking time before and after the event to visit family and friends who I haven’t seen in years. I’ll have the Ferrari with me and I’ll treat them all to rides and drives. That’ll be worth more to me than any award. But if do get one? Just icing on the cake.
Peter
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From: clyde romero
Sent: February 8, 2022 12:02 PM
To: 'Peter Rychel'
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Talk about stupid
You whats funny Ferrari tool kits
They are worthless to work on the cars, why they even put them in the car is beyond me
From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 2:23 PM
To: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Talk about stupid
cLyDe, you’ll do a disservice to your estate if you shred the window sticker, or to Britt if he wants to buy the car from you while you’re still alive... It’ll just become another used 296 with missing stuff – a car that is valued less than it’s counterparts.
It’s kind of like my GT4. It only came with a soiled owner’s manual when I bought it. I dropped some serious coin over the years to get all of the books and tools for it. If I ever sell it (God forbid), or my estate, what’s going to get a buyer to open up his wallet? Enthusiast or otherwise? No matter who it is, they’ll shit their pants when they see this. Oh yeah, I have a copy of the bill of sale from the original owner – Bill Badurski – who bought the car new in 1976 from Joe Marchetti’s dealership in Chicago, IL... All this from nothing. Who’s dedicated now?
Peter
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- Re: Talk about stupid, (continued)
- Re: Talk about stupid Buxton Motorsports, Inc. Gmail, February 9 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Rick Moseley, February 9 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Matt Boyd, February 10 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Peter Rychel, February 10 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Matt Boyd, February 10 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Robert W. Garven Jr., February 10 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Clarence Romero Jr., February 9 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Rick Moseley, February 9 2022
- Re: Talk about stupid Matt Boyd, February 10 2022
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