Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Someone is about to get burned

Re: Someone is about to get burned	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Lashdeep Singh (lashdeepyahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 12:37:48 -0700 (PDT)

The vehicle in front of him had a trailer hitch ball mount which caused the unusual damage.

On Apr 7, 2022, at 00:46, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

No cLyDe, he was sandwiched on the SR-520 bridge (going from Seattle to Bellevue). Yes, he punched the car in front of him because someone rammed into him. This is only one photo of the front, the rear of the car was f’d as well... I’ve known Dave for 21+ years.

Peter

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From: Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: April 5, 2022 4:31 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Someone is about to get burned

No I am sorry looking at this picture he ran into something or someone

RF4-4EVR

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Clyde Romero

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On Apr 4, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Robert Garven <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I have Daves wheels on my car! someone smashed into his car

On Apr 3, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, what Keegan posted was typical of the valves used in Ferraris during the ‘50s and ‘60s. In the ‘50s, it was combined with a Tudor (or whatever the Italian equivalent was at the time) heater/defroster unit, but by the ‘60s they were using bespoke heater cores built under the dash or in the engine compartment.

But in the case with the 328 and the 412, the heater valves have stepper motors built-in to the outlets that open and close electronically. This is paired with the driver unit on the center console that lights up LEDs to show how much flow is present. This unit contains solid state components that sometimes blow. I don’t know if you remember him because he hasn’t been on this ‘List in years was Dave Handa from Seattle. He owned a 328 in the early 2000’s and the control units on his console crapped out. He is handy with electronics and he rebuilt them (I think it was a blown capacitor). But that’s what has to be done. In most cases you have to do it yourself because who does these kind of repairs? You cite many examples of shops that do “services”, which are just glorified parts removal and replacement jobs. How many of them can actually repair 1980’s Atari-technology ventilation systems? You know, taking them apart, de-soldering capacitors/resistors/transistors, sourcing out correct components (which may long be obsolete) and then put it all back together and make it work.

Peter

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From: BRITT ROTHMAN via Ferrari
Sent: April 3, 2022 5:02 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Someone is about to get burned

That heater valve easily predates the one in my 1980 400i. My car had a cheap, unavailable ( in 2003) pressed metal design that was not rebuildable at all. I think what Brian shows is something from the 60s..

My 400i heater valve was a nightmare since I couldn’t find one anywhere, it leaked, and it couldn’t be rebuilt. I think I eventually did something with jb weld that held, but I don’t remember. It’s those little parts that are really critical ( if you want heat or defrost!) that make restoring a car a real nightmare……

BR in Stockholm ( where heavy snow and ice and lack of snow tires means I have had to cancel my inspection for at least a week to get my car registered for Swedish roads. It’s been a long winter and going to be a late spring….)

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On 3 Apr 2022, at 13:50, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

RF4-4EVR

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Clyde Romero

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On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:56 PM, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:

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On Apr 2, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Brian Keegan <bks281 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Heater valves, whether manually operated with a knob

So did you think Ferrari was going to have some German engineering feat in there early cars?

Please early 80’s cars were one step behind anything the US had out there at the time

Most if not all of you who are reading this bought a Ferrari because the way it looked and you know it

Guys like myself who knew about engines and transmissions and suspensions bought the car for those reasons the looks came as and added bonus that’s why I drove my cars not wash and waxed them to death!

It was how they worked not how they looked for me anyway

But as someone said on this esteemed list years back

To each there own

That’s why I am buying the 296 GTB it’s a throw back to the 250 LM design yet it has the F-1 engine V-6 with the hybrid technology that I want to experience before I die from a car manufacturer that sits on the Formula one Grid on sundays!

That car has already sold out it’s slots on the west coast, imagine that if you will.

So you already know where the market on this hot rod is going.

Ferrari is a marketing genius

And still is !

Brian that heater valve is freaking me out it looks like something in my backyard where would that go in the car that you’d reach in and open it up

or cable operated, Ferrari always supplied the rubber diaphragm for them but they never listed them in a parts book anywhere. Most of the time the castings would suffer from corrosion from the minerals in the water, so replacement was the better option.

Much later cars with the electric water pump for the heating system were made by Bosch

for various Panzers and there was a kit available for them.

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On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The 328 went through a production model change mid year with certain parts and they didn’t tell anyone

How do I know ?

I did a service on one and found they changed the cam seals parts and kept the same part # but it would fit, 80 psi later with oil everywhere….

This is standard fare with Ferrari ask Brian who monitors this list

The 348 waseven worse because of service bulletins same goes for the dreaded 355

Things didn’t seem to settle down parts wise until the mid to late 2000 even then it can be an issue.

The water pump on a 355 is suppose to fit a 550/575, but it doesn’t, don’t ask me how I know.

RF4-4EVR

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If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero

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On Apr 2, 2022, at 2:56 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

If you read through the service invoices, you’ll find that they went through the whole fuel system, which on a car that has been sitting for prolonged periods of time, it will need.

The Bosch K-Jetronic is an amazing system, but is primarily mechanical. When I was looking for a 328 last year, nearly every example had running/starting issues ( even the one Dominic & Lash looked at for me in Connecticut). It’s amazing, but incredibly complex that if one subsystem is “off”, it throws the whole thing out of whack and doesn’t run right. Common failures are the warm-up regulator, fuel pump, pump check-valve, idle air bypass device and finally the fuel distributor (which on US cars runs off a signal from an O2 sensor and ECU to control fuel flow/pressure levels to trim emissions output) . All of these items will feature rubber O-rings/seals that regardless of mileage, will degrade, usually from exposure to the fuel (especially today’s ethanol mixes which seem to be everywhere). If you’re paying someone to do all of the Re&Re work, crack open the wallet, because none of those parts are cheap and neither is the time. Hell, I even had to replace the fuel pressure regulators on my Mondial last year and it could’ve cost over $1400 in parts alone! I found aftermarket replacements for way less and it’s been running great, but people are ignorant, or kidding themselves if they expect these fuel-related items to last forever (they don’t...).

( https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/part/ferrari/137960 but these are the same spec but made from Stainless and with Viton rubber diaphragms for fuel resistance: https://herko.com/Retail/new-fuel-pressure-regulator-herko-pr4061-for-various-vehicles-1972-1998.html )

The invoices also note major work to the ventilation system which again, reveal parts that have been adapted to make it work because the originals are NLA and replacements didn’t work properly! I’ve got the 328 manual, there are several pages devoted just to adjusting the LED switches to turn the thing on and off and set the temperature! And Ferrari had TWO versions of these switches during the production of the 328! Oh ya, they were also used in the Testarossa and 412. I wonder how many of those are still working...

Peter

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From: BRITT ROTHMAN via Ferrari
Sent: April 1, 2022 1:13 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Someone is about to get burned

You know guys, I had a 328gts for 7 happy years. And if somebody wants to pay stupid money for one then so be it. Not worth that money to me in a million years but I guess if you have more money then you can spend you don’t care….

However, that aside I have restored, to a proper level over 20 cars, mostly Italian and I learned from the best in the U.K. I have to say I don’t understand how you can spend 39k dollars to do the work listed in the advert unless US shop prices are a supreme ripoff, OR 2. There is more work being required than listed. And then the question is why? I had 80k miles on my 328 and it didn’t require the majority of work listed. And a cam belt service at any number of shops in the U.K. with a water pump rebuild is still less than 1500k GBP ( including 20% VAT) and a 3-4 day job. ( so about 2200.00 USD). So I don’t know what the hell somebody paid 39k for but sounds like utter BS to me but then hey, it’s their money ( of course at that rate it soon will be everyone else’s money but stupid is what stupid does).
The second point however and I stand by this - the underside of that car with the pictures shown is many many times lower than I would expect for a car with this miles and that price. That car wouldn’t even get to start to compete at the FOC concours in the U.K. ( I entered many times) and there are at least a dozen 328s I know personally in the U.K. alone in much better condition both from the engine bay pictures and the underneath that are valued for insurance purposes at about 120k USD. My point is, that is not a “nice” car. I can see it in the pictures and I assume it’s worse in person. The seller and the buyer either don’t understand what a “nice” clean car is or they didn’t care. But that car is not even close to the condition that warrant 1/3 of the price. I really don’t think people understand what I good Ferrari looks like OR the market in the US is so distorted compared to the Euro market that this is “normal” for us buyers. Glad I don’t live there anymore (at least for the Ferrari market).

And yes, anybody can spend what they want on what they want so don’t reply and tell me that. I’m just saying that whoever bought that thing must either not know or not care but nobody is going to tell me the car is nice or in good condition. (And my 328 was a lhd which are worth less in the U.K. than RHD).

Changing subject:

I’m taking the 512tr (ex-Clyde) to it’s big import inspection on Tuesday. wish me luck! It’s very strict, very long and without it I can’t use the car here. The snow has cleared enough that I can get it to the inspection station. Once inspected I can get plates and then it’s a summer of Scandinavian driving for the ex Atlanta car!

BR in Stockholm

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> On 31 Mar 2022, at 23:23, Robert Garven <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> I respectfully disagree! Ha That price is insane, I wonder what this earlier handbuilt fully restored much rarer
> car with real carburetors would sell for!
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