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Clyde Romero
If you have no enemies You have no character !
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On May 21, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
The F-14 that shot down a F -4 used an AIM-9L Clyde Romero
If you have no enemies You have no character !
Scars are tattoos with better stories! ![]() When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!
On May 21, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
True**. Didn't have to.
Most of the time when we turned on, or turned into a bogie with the AN/AWG-9 (nose hot) the Russians turned away instantly.
Once locked and pickled, the AIM-54 (Phoenix) climbed up (I'm going to be vague) over 80K feet then dove on the target at speeds up to Mach 5. This was a vector most Russians couldn't track regardless of their service ceiling. It was a fire and forget missile. Once it left the rails, it had a mind of it's own. At those speeds it really didn't need a warhead, Kinetically it was quite effective. The warhead gave it "close counts" impact.
Yep, Snort flew demos. And was probably the best at it. He had a take-off maneuver that was unbelievable... they made him stop it because they didn't want anyone his junior (and we all were) to try it. I got to fly one of his demo gigs when special request came in from the East Entrance for a plane to be at Bethpage. The Grims were out doing the scheduled demos and Snort was busy with a special project. Got to have lunch with Bob Kress, so that was a treat.
** A Navy Lt. did shoot down an Air Force F-4. There is plenty of documentation out there if you want more info.
On Saturday, May 21, 2022, 07:58:13 AM PDT, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:
A few questions. Is it true that the US never used the AIM-54 to shoot down an enemy plane? I didn't know much about it so I looked it up and it is claimed that only the Iranians used it to take down Iraqi planes. Also, what is meant by "death from above"? I thought the Russian planes had higher ceilings? Lastly, did Snodgrass fly in air shows because I could swear I saw his name at an air show many years ago. As Ed mentioned in the video and has been stated by us old timers regarding the new/updated airframes:
Fun Suppression is baked in.
Can't correct Clyde on position and energy. He's right, as usual.
But I will add that there is also an element of anticipation of what the other guy is going to do based on what he perceives as his aircraft's strengths and how he will employ them.
While we certainly trained in ACM, my job was not to get into that fight. My (and the F-14) primary role (Fleet defense) was fast intercept and deliver "death from above", the AIM-54 Phoenix.... that is unbeatable position and energy with an element of surprise.
Here is my take on it The modern fighters F-16/F-18 you are fighting the machine not the man This aircraft have limiters which will prevent you from departing controlled flight In other words going out of control You could not fly outside the flight control envelope Much like a modern cars with ABS traction control and all the other magic they have on the new sports cars My generation of fighters F-4/F-15/14 didn’t have the magic You could fly the plane outside the envelope if you knew what you were doing and not get killed but many did die trying I might add, those platforms were very unforgiving in that arena If you were below 10,000 above ground level and loss control and did not eject immediately you most likely would die! Remember that’s a little under 2 miles up, that’s how fast you fall out of the sky in uncontrollable flight! So if you were going against a F-16/18 you had to fly your plane to the other planes weakness Granted that wasn’t easy but it could be done and has been done I might add When you’re dog fighting it’s all about nose position and energy management Correct me if I am wrong Rick
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Clyde Romero
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Clyde nails it again. In my time, there was no better than Snort, Dale Snodgrass. He helped me learn, train, hone that better than any other IP. He was born to the Tomcat. He knew it, he flew it like no other. He was THE MAN in this machine.
(sadly, we lost him in a stupid little bush plane after he retired)
Listen for a few minutes to these two clips. He absolutely owned a recent Marine pilot who had just won Top Gun.
You don't have to listen to the presenter... he's just backseater I went to school with. ;-)
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This all one persons perspective In a dog fight it always comes down to the man in the machine Listen to the podcast F-14 It’s very accurate on this subject
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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
If you have no enemies, you have no character !
Clyde Romero
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