Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Classiche certification.

[Jeff Kennedy (jkennedy.design]

Going back to the original question about Classiche Certification:

In the beginning of the Classiche program there were some highly qualified outside experts involved.  These included Jess Pourret and Keith Bluemel.  They had full access to the historic records at the factory.  As time went on the certification became an in-house proposition.  

Now, one should go back enough in the Ferrari world to remember times of questionable representations of the cars.  Histories being ascribed to incorrect cars, restamped engines, components represented as correct that were not.  Without getting into any names, let's just say that there were knowledgeable people that found it in their financial interest to make and/or perpetuate some of these falsehoods.  Plus, one should be aware of the shenanigans that the factory itself played with renumbering chassis numbers and such, especially in the 1950s.

So, there can be a legitimate proposition that there should be a way for correctness to be verified using actual factory records.  Yes, there have been some questionable certifications they did.  One can also see some legitimacy to the re-inspection (maybe not annual) to avoid having parts swapped to get a red book that are removed as soon as the book is in their possession.  Especially if the car is then for sale representing itself in a state that it no longer is in.

Has Classiche Certification (as opposed to the Classiche Restoration by the factory) turned into a profit center?  Yes.  

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 9:19 AM Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Anthony 

I am not going to get into it with you

You are the one who called me a coward 

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Oct 17, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



The funny thing is that I don't even disagree with your original point.  I am just amazed that some people don't realize they are part of the group that they incessantly insult.  To insult people, as weak minded, who spend money to be exclusive when you have a Ferrari and a Bugatti in the garage is incredibly detached from reality and just a bit arrogant.  So I stand by my statement about the stunning lack of self-awareness.

Now, Clarence, I fully respect your service and admire what you did.  But that was 50 years ago in a different theater.  You have played a different role in a different play for many decades now.  How many of the people you love have ever been in a combat zone?  Parent?  Spouse?  Children?  Your buddies on this list?  Having courage in civilian life looks a lot different for the vast majority of people.  It sure as hell doesn't look like defending the indefensible with veiled insults.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 8:05 AM Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Coward

Hey Anthony real quick

How many combat rescues do you have ?

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Oct 16, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Cowards speak in code.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 10:01 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Just a wire chaffing on dull chassis...

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 05:50:54 PM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Total generator failure 

RAT extended 

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:09 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Clue light flickering, but not fully illuminated. 

Going back to my books. 

On Oct 16, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:



QW is transmitting in the blind again!

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Oct 16, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Shades of gray.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 12:48 PM Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Walk the lawn at Cavallino and see it in action. Registration usually opens up around this time of year. 

On Oct 16, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:



The lack of self-awareness is just stunning.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 9:34 AM Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Never underestimate the weak minded being willing to pay through the nose to feel exclusive. 

> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:38 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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