Ferrari Mailing List: Correction...Re: F1 SPOILER

[LS (lashdeep]

Below I typed "They need to step their game up
> because in racing..."

I meant "because in competition..." as I have no experience in racing.

LS

--- LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> Too much theorizing here guys...his motor blew.  It wasn't up to
> Alonso's
> effort and Renault needs to work on that if a championship is important.
> 
> Strategy (rev limits, cruise mode, qual mode) is pointless if your
> equipment isn't designed to entertain all of the possible strategic
> options when necessary.
> 
> The Renault engine should be able to endure any level of effort and
> abuse,
> despite any setback or penalty. It wasn't.
> 
> I remember the same discussion with the tires at Indy a few years ago.
> Michelin failed and all of the teams paid the price. Here Alonso is
> paying
> the price for an equipment failure. They need to step their game up
> because in racing, there are situations that present themselves that
> cannot be planned for or strategized around.
> 
> LS
> 
> 
> --- Dennis Liu <BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, that's my point exactly, Lashdeep - it's too difficult to say,
> > which
> > is why one shouldn't use the excuse, "it doesn't matter 'cause his
> > engine
> > blew up anyway!".  
> > 
> > Typically with race motors, if you cut rev usage by a few hundred
> revs,
> > you
> > can DOUBLE the life of the motor.  A few laps at the absolute limit of
> > the
> > motor can cause it to expire in a very short time, while those same
> laps
> > at
> > 99% can cause the motor to last another race entirely.  If Alonso had
> > been
> > higher up on the race grid, and managed to get himself behind
> > Schumacher, he
> > would not need to pass him.  Remember, even if he finishes immediately
> > behind Schumacher for every race between Monza and Brazil, he still
> wins
> > the
> > championship!  Heck, even if he finished third or fourth behind
> Michael
> > in
> > 1st or 2nd, it's not the end of the world -- much better than blowing
> up
> > your engine trying to make it into the points!  Alonso had a great
> start
> > yesterday, and he's always really good on starts.  So he could have
> just
> > hit
> > "cruise mode", and saved the engine - indeed, he wouldn't even have to
> > be
> > right on Schumacher's bumper, he would only have to keep challengers
> > from
> > passing him.
> > 
> > Vty,
> > 
> > --Dennis
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:16 AM
> > To: BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net
> > Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> > Subject: RE: [Ferrari] F1 SPOILER
> > 
> > "Which would mean he
> > wouldn't have been as hard on the engine, so it may not have blown up
> -
> > remember, drivers can and often do turn down the wick and go into
> > "cruise"
> > mode.
> > "
> > 
> > Understood, maybe it would lasted another 3 laps? It's difficult to
> > predict
> > wouldn't you say? Maybe they went for too much in qualifying?
> > 
> > Either way, his motor expired.
> > 
> > LS
> > 
> > --- Dennis Liu <BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Rick, one thing to keep in mind.  And please correct me if I'm
> wrong, 
> > > since I'm sure you know much more about this than me.
> > > 
> > > The "blocking" decision was made by the local race stewards - the 
> > > ITALIAN race stewards.  Is there a home team advantage?  Quite 
> > > possibly, or even probably.  Let's see - the final race that 7-time 
> > > World Champion Michael Schumacher will ever run at Monza, for
> Ferrari 
> > > (which, to Italians, means more than the Yankees do to New Yorkers x
> 
> > > 10), in an almost-dead heat for both the driver's and constructor's 
> > > world championships, with no race at Imola next year, and what
> native 
> > > Italian racing enthusiast WOULDN'T decide a close decision in 
> > > Ferrari's favor?
> > > 
> > > The thing to keep in mind is that the decisions made by local
> stewards
> > 
> > > are often against the wishes of the FIA itself, and certainly piss
> off
> > 
> > > Bernie and Max from time to time.  IIRC, a recent decision made by
> the
> > 
> > > local stewards at a race was subsequently overturned by the FIA.
> > > 
> > > Now, this is not to say that the FIA wouldn't prefer a close battle
> to
> > 
> > > the end of the season for the two championships, but it's nothing
> like
> > 
> > > the NASCAR structure, where one body - or more accurately, one
> family 
> > > - makes ALL of the final decisions.  So while "Formula 1" may want
> to 
> > > see a close battle, I don't think this decision can be attributed to
> 
> > > that.
> > > 
> > > As to my personal opinion as to whether Alonso was blocking, well, 
> > > it's certainly well within the gray area.  He was on an "out" lap, 
> > > Masa was on his hot lap.  If the clock wasn't ticking down, Alonso 
> > > would have gone off line and allowed Masa by, and rightfully so -
> any 
> > > driver on an out lap should not be blocking a driver on a hot lap.  
> > > Accordingly, when there is a close call, I think the inference has
> to 
> > > go in favor of the impeded driver.
> > > 
> > > Do I really think Masa was held up?  Nope.  But the rules are the 
> > > rules, and he and Ferrari are battling for every point, so he did
> the 
> > > rational thing and made a protest.  I don't know that I would have 
> > > done it, were I in his shoes, but I can't blame him for doing it 
> > > (e.g., teams protesting the mass-damper system, dual-brake pedals, 
> > > various aero bits, etc.; the rules is da rules).
> > > 
> > > And Lashdeep, I gotta disagree with you.  Sure, it's easy to play
> the 
> > > "well, it wouldn't have mattered anyway" game, but keep in mind, had
> 
> > > Alonso started in 5th, he may have found himself in 2nd or third 
> > > behind MS, rather than having to work hard to carve his way through 
> > > the field.  And since he'd only be down 1 or 2 points, he may well 
> > > have settled for that, given the margin he still would have had and 
> > > the few remaining races.  Which would mean he wouldn't have been as 
> > > hard on the engine, so it may not have blown up - remember, drivers 
> > > can and often do turn down the wick and go into "cruise"
> > > mode.
> > > 
> > > Vty,
> > > 
> > > --Dennis
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:45 PM
> > > To: Dennis Liu
> > > Cc: The FerrariList
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 SPOILER
> > > 
> > > Isn't that the evidence of a true and dominating world champion? 
> > > Making the whole thing look like a joke? Federer sure did the same 
> > > thing later this afternoon.
> > > 
> > > I think MS did a great job (not surprising). If Alonso had finished
> on
> > 
> > > the podium, I think the penalty may have weighed in, but a blown 
> > > engine is a blown engine. Maybe he would've blown it earlier as he 
> > > would've started closer to MS (5th instead of 10th) and thought he
> had
> > 
> > > an even better chance of winning.
> > > 
> > > LS
> > > 
> > > --- Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Warning....
> > > >    
> > > >    
> > > >    
> > > >    
> > > >    
> > > >    
> > > >    
> 
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