Ferrari Mailing List: Re: fake ads

[LtWacko (ltwacko]

My friend's car one day wound up one day on Ebay.  He got a ton of calls from 
friends asking why he was selling his car (specialty car which a few people 
keep their eyes open for as well as parts.)  It was reported to ebay and the 
seller was spammed by a ton of our friends.  The ad was pulled imediately. The 
seller was asking for a money order to hold the car at the low buy now price if 
you wanted the car before a local buyer picked it up.  Pressure selling!  Usual 
story making the deal a mystery and why it was being sold.

Too bad situations like this spoil online shopping for everyone.

Rodney



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Today's Topics: 

  1. "Cheap" F40 (Jason Polzer) 
  2. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Fellippe Galletta) 
  3. Re: "Cheap" F40 (red5hilser [at] aol.com) 
  4. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Steve Jenkins) 
  5. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Ric Rainbolt) 
  6. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Brian E. Buxton) 
  7. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Jason Polzer) 
  8. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Tom Reynolds) 
  9. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Brian E. Buxton) 
 10. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Ken Rentiers) 
 11. Re: "Cheap" F40 (Brian E. Buxton) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:17:55 -0500 
From: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
Subject: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <45A11D33.9040500 [at] internethosting.com> 
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http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987 

Jason 


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Message: 2 
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:04:38 -0500 
From: "Fellippe Galletta" <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 
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You're right, that is a cheap F40....even by late '90s standards. 

My only guess is that it's a race F40 modified for street use based on those 
rims. 

If it's clean, definitely a steal. 

FG 


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Message: 3 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:12:02 -0500 
From: red5hilser [at] aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com 
Cc: alexzanardifan [at] hotmail.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 
Message-ID: <8C900961579E09B-1634-2CB1 [at] WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> 
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Yea, that's a real cLyDe price all right. If he'll 'loan' me the $210k, I'd be 
interested! 

Yer shitbox pal, Ferrari Bubba 


-----Original Message----- 
From: fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 


You're right, that is a cheap F40....even by late '90s standards. 

My only guess is that it's a race F40 modified for street use based on those 
rims. 

If it's clean, definitely a steal. 

FG 


On 1/7/07, Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> wrote: 
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Message: 4 
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:11:51 -0800 
From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: "Ferrari List" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
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That looks to be parked outside Rick Doria's house, and as far as I know, 
Rick isn't selling his car. 

The price looks almost 200K low based on current F40 prices with that 
mileage (yeah - they are SELLING in the high 3s, low 4s), and based on the 
VIN that's a 92, not a 91 as stated (VIN digit #10 is N, which = 92. 91 
would be M. 

SteveJ 

-----Original Message----- 
From: red5hilser [at] aol.com [mailto:red5hilser [at] aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:12 AM 
To: Steve Jenkins 
Cc: alexzanardifan [at] hotmail.com; ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 


Yea, that's a real cLyDe price all right. If he'll 'loan' me the $210k, I'd 
be interested! 

Yer shitbox pal, Ferrari Bubba 


-----Original Message----- 
From: fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 


You're right, that is a cheap F40....even by late '90s standards. 

My only guess is that it's a race F40 modified for street use based on those 
rims. 

If it's clean, definitely a steal. 

FG 


On 1/7/07, Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> wrote: 
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http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350 
987 
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Message: 5 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:45:17 -0600 
From: Ric Rainbolt <ricrain [at] airmail.net> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070107184446.0366c0a0 [at] airmail.net> 
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Fake ad. 

Ric Rainbolt 

At 10:17 AM 1/7/2007, Jason Polzer wrote: 
>http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987
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Message: 6 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:00:34 -0600 
From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <45A197B2.8010906 [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
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Reads like a scam - the wording of the ad, the fact that the contact 
info is lacking, the price ... I'm sure any Ferrari dealer in the US 
looking for inventory would write the guy a check for his asking price. 

BEB 


Jason Polzer wrote: 

>http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987
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Message: 7 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:24:15 -0500 
From: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <45A1B95F.1050109 [at] internethosting.com> 
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I don't understand these scams.  Someone that was smart enough to save 
up $200k for a car is dumb enough to wire it away without performing any 
due diligence?  Or is there a different angle? 

Curious, 

Jason 

Brian E. Buxton wrote: 
> Reads like a scam - the wording of the ad, the fact that the contact 
> info is lacking, the price ... I'm sure any Ferrari dealer in the US 
> looking for inventory would write the guy a check for his asking price. 
> 
> BEB 
> 
> 
> Jason Polzer wrote: 
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>> http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987
>>  
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Message: 8 
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:40:34 -0600 
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: "Jason Polzer" <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <001201c732d6$c194e7e0$6401a8c0 [at] tu.ok.cox.net> 
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What kind of phone number was that?  Also, the location was kept secret. 
For a car like that, valued at around $400k, only 1 picture?  And, how do we 
know that it's actually his car?  Or his to sell?  I've been involved, in a 
way, with a guy selling on eBay and seeing cars he was selling advertised by 
someone else.  Cherry picking.  So, the whole thing just smells bad. 
Tom Reynolds 
Tulsa, OK 
P.S. At least he picked DuPont Registry rather than eBay... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Polzer" <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> 
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 


> I don't understand these scams.  Someone that was smart enough to save 
> up $200k for a car is dumb enough to wire it away without performing any 
> due diligence?  Or is there a different angle? 
> 
> Curious, 
> 
> Jason 
> 
> Brian E. Buxton wrote: 
> > Reads like a scam - the wording of the ad, the fact that the contact 
> > info is lacking, the price ... I'm sure any Ferrari dealer in the US 
> > looking for inventory would write the guy a check for his asking price. 
> > 
> > BEB 
> > 
> > 
> > Jason Polzer wrote: 
> > 
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http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987 
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Message: 9 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:26 -0600 
From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: Jason Polzer <jason [at] internethosting.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <45A1BD66.2060908 [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
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Yes, there are some people who get so caught up in the purchase that 
they forget to really think about the deal offered to them.  I just 
answered an e-mail from one gentleman last week who almost sent a 
deposit for a Porsche in Italy on the same premise 

Let's say someone is enticed to send payment in full for a vehicle - 
what would really make them leery of this car, unless the price is way 
out of whack?  What if this seller has the VIN, numerous pics and would 
offer to send you (the buyer) one key to the car and the owners manuals 
after you send a deposit?  Would you trust them more?  What about a copy 
of a (faked) PPI from a shop that a previous interested buyer "paid for" 
but ended up not buying the car (because of illness, his wife nixing the 
deal, etc.).  What about a faked copy of the "title?"  Hell, a Ferrari 
list member posts a lot of this exact type of info on his web page.   
What would keep someone from taking those documents and modifying them?   
Or picking service receipts, etc. out of the trash at an owners house, 
at the BMV or at the local service center.  Would you feel comfortable 
if you had all of the "service history and documentation"?  What if the 
seller offered to give you the $ of the "previous owner" who was 
actually his buddy and partner in this scam.  You could actually call 
and talk to a 3rd party person who "sold" the car to the seller you are 
negotiating with.  What about a photo of the car and "seller" with a 
copy of today's major newspaper in his hand (where you could see the 
date and front page)?  That's a lot of items to make a buyer feel 
comfortable. 

Or let's take this from another angle.  Maybe the buyer IS smart and 
wants to fly out to view the car or have his own PPI performed.  BUT, 
the buyer has them put down a $10,000 or $20,000 "refundable" deposit to 
hold the car until everything is performed or the buyer can make the 
trip?  All this guy has to do is get 5 or 10 people to send deposits, 
close the account and walk off with $50,000 to $150,000+ dollars!  Not 
bad for a weeks dishonest work. 

This would be so easy to do I'm surprised that more people don't try 
it!  All you would have to do is walk down any street or go to any car 
lot and take lots of pics and write down a VIN of a truck, Corvette, 
Ferrari, Honda, etc.  Then run an ad or sell it on E-Bay.  Take $5,000 
deposits from 10 people and do it all over again! 

Brian 



Jason Polzer wrote: 

> I don't understand these scams.  Someone that was smart enough to save 
> up $200k for a car is dumb enough to wire it away without performing 
> any due diligence?  Or is there a different angle? 
> 
> Curious, 
> 
> Jason 
> 
> Brian E. Buxton wrote: 
> 
>> Reads like a scam - the wording of the ad, the fact that the contact 
>> info is lacking, the price ... I'm sure any Ferrari dealer in the US 
>> looking for inventory would write the guy a check for his asking price. 
>> 
>> BEB 
>> 
>> 
>> Jason Polzer wrote: 
>> 
>>> http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=350987
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc. 
Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation 
www.BuxtonMotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php 

Founder & Past President 
SO. IN Region PCA 
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Message: 10 
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:06:05 -0600 
From: Ken Rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <2860A5B4-A7D2-415C-BD94-F60C4CB15665 [at] mac.com> 
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On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Brian E. Buxton wrote: 
> 
> Yes.. 

In other words, those scam ads would not be there if they were not   
working. 

-ken- 




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Message: 11 
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:25:46 -0600 
From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] "Cheap" F40 
To: Ken Rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Message-ID: <45A1D5DA.3090306 [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

Exactly.  Even $5,000 from 1 success out of 10 is still $5,000! 

BEB 



Ken Rentiers wrote: 

> 
> On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Brian E. Buxton wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> Yes.. 
> 
> 
> In other words, those scam ads would not be there if they were not   
> working. 
> 
> -ken- 



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